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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ace" data-source="post: 1921062" data-attributes="member: 944">First off I am reading your thread on green ronins board with pleasure and if things go right our DM (who considers Black Company a major inspiration) will be running and I will be playing a Jack of Trades named Crow -- $44.95 is bit more than I want to pay but if I actually use the book its OK Also I apologize a bit for this thread and if your players just have "Christmas Busys" I will admit I am wrong but if what you say about them " suddenly being to busy  to play" that is a serious warning sign -- let me repeat what it says  STOP TAKING AWAY YOUR PLAYERS FUN YUAN TII shouted that because it needs saying LOUD -- before players go into a campaign as brutal as D20 Black Company or Conan they need to want to play that type of game You can 'learn em a new way of playing D20 games" unless they want to play them in the first place -- they play high powered D&D because its fun --  I know from personal experience -- many good players HATE high casulty low powered gamesThose games are a blast for control freak and versimtude happy GM's  like me but they suck suck suck for a lot of players --  heck I don't like to play in them all that well because I don't get to do cool stuff If the players are having less fun with that style of game you simply can't run it with them -- its not a matter of cracking down and making them toe the line. If it comes to a conflict -- simply put you lose. Its not 1983 -- there are plenty of games out there and even in benighted areas with few games there are lots of other things to do instead -- EQ, PS2, Internet etc etc Ok two stories from my  game experience and how I leanred not to run high casulty games with my current play group GURPS 3E Man Mech and Magic -- 3 PC's 150 points armed with Rapier, Katana and I think an Axe  and 1 75pt NPC with a Boltgun (think a tube that shoots arrows by TK)   -- lightly armored and fairly skilled vs a mob of bandits ---Combat -- real time 2 minutes -- game time -- 4 seconds results -- 6 dead bandits game results -- the players took one look at GURPS and 2 (of 3)  decided "crap that could be my character-- going back to D&DSample 2 -- The Riddle of Steel battle Demo -- 2 players new to the rules -- both have real world (Kendo/Iado and Rapier) sword experience so rules learning and appreciation i unually high. There is also one bystander -- they fight 4 matches Rapier vs Cut and Thrust Sword-- 3 of these result in kills -- game results -- 1 player  and 1 bystander refused under any cirumstances to play TROS. The other one liked it but than he liked GURPS (and was the only one) similar experiments have led me to suggest that many players aren't interested in in high lethality/low gain games. They like superheroic combat ans lots of spellbling  er magic items players who aren't coming around anymore are voting with their feat and you have no veto  If you are dead set on Black Company or Conan and this is not a case of the Christmas Busies you need to talk to the players and explain things -- If they say they don't like the set up either go back to D&D (by the books or previously OK house rules ) or get a new play group  -- your choice</blockquote>

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