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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Stalker0" data-source="post: 8825043" data-attributes="member: 5889">Saw it last night:The Pros<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">They handled Chadwick's death very well. It was moving and made decent sense for the plot. They didn't linger it too long, but didn't ignore it.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Namor is a decently cool villain. Not quite Killmonger but again its a villain whose motives you can get. At the same time Namor has this very subtle "crazy" lingering beneath the surface that is interesting. He's very calm and logical, but like Thanos there is a bit of "wait....really?" about this guy. He sees one torture on the surface and immediately goes "yep all of the surface is evil and better off gone"....that's a bit extreme, but to me this informs his character. He wants to be a good king and for the most part is a pretty good guy, but there's this essence lingering under the surface that drives him into the darkness.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The design of the underwater people as a Mayan decendent gives them a really distinct style and culture that I love. Compared to the cardbord cutout Atlanteans from Aquaman, this is a people dripping with culture and history.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">I liked what they did with Shuri. Gave her an interesting emotional backing here that drove her character. Aka it felt like a movie driven by what happened to the character rather than them acting just for the sake of plot.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The characters feel human and flawed, there is a scene where the Queen strips Okeye of rank for failing her daughter, when her advisors caution against it. Its a powerful scene of emotion...but in reality most people probably would agree the Queen is wrong in her decision. Even MBaku and his men snicker at it later in the movie. However, considering the Queen's anger and state of mind, it made sense in the moment.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">There have been a lot of "passing of the torch" type movies in recent years, both MCU and others. There is often a temptation to weaker the OG in order to give the new character a chance to shine. They avoid that well in this movie. Shuri's taking on of the mantle in no way weaken's TChalla. Shuri is capable but has her own flaws and her own story to tell, TChalla serves both as a source of inspiration but also a source of pain and trauma, moving Shuri in interesting ways.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">I really appreciated that they showed the consequence of T'Challa's decision to reveal Wakanda in this movie. Opening up Wakanda is a MAJOR thing, and as hopeful and possibly amazing as it could be, it has a lot of negative issues, and they show several of them in this movie. That's the kind of worldbuilding that keeps me coming back, that puts the U in MCU.</li> </ul>The Cons<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The movie is longer than it needs to be, and it does drag in places. The plot doesn't feel as tight as the first one. I think they could have cut out 30 minutes and the movie would have been fine. This was my biggest complaint, I was squirming a bit by the end just waiting for it to finish.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Ri Ri Williams is an interesting character but I don't feel they ever quite know what to do with her. At the end of the day she feels like an add on.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Wakanda has a major major security problem. Realistically, Wakanda's capital was defeated by a small group of people, sure they had some superpowers, but it was a SMALL group. Any major armed forces from a modern country would trounce Wakanda is that's the kind of military showing they have to bare. They act like Namor had some super secret technique that let him breach Wakandan security, all he did was come through the water. There are plenty of stealth team operations that could have conducted similar approaches. Wakanda has an impenetrable shield but a siege of the city to blockade it....Wakanda doesn't seem to have an answer for. Aka Wakanda is presented as this nigh invincible civilization to the rest of the world but in reality, its still a small country with a small military force, as advanced as they are there is no way they would withstand a major military invasion from a modern country.<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Perhaps....that's the point, and perhaps I'm looking at this wrong. After all, in Namor's closing statement he mentions who the world will turn on Wakanda, and they will return to Namor. This may be foreshadowing, as cocky as Wakanda is they are simply no match for a "real" war, and if that actually becomes a thing, Namor comes back in the picture.</li> </ul></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">They handle Ross a bit too casually for me. Its the classic "a guy helping the good guys is a good guy" trope, but in reality, Ross is a STONE COLD TRAITOR. Its black and white, he works for a major intelligence agency and was delivering major amounts of intelligence to a foreign power. That is NOT ok, even if one of them "saved your life".</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Maybe it was just me, but the movie is darker in the water scenes than I would have liked, a bit harder to see than I think they were going for.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">While its cool that MBaku gets to be King now, the messaging is a bit rough. There was this premise throughout the movie of Shuri finding a balance between her technical mind and the traditions of her people, and she started to get there. But then at the end she "scoffs" tradition by not even showing up to the ceremony, which feels a little off. I don't mind Shuri showing up and then letting MBaku win the challenge, that I could respect....but her not showing up just feels a bit hallow to one of the messages of the movie.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">I have to agree with Okoye, that new suit is UGLY!</li> </ul>Overall: Like most sequels it doesn't quite live up to the original, but its a solid movie and well worth watching. Probably the best MCU to come out in a while.</blockquote>

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