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<blockquote data-quote="Irda Ranger" data-source="post: 7092297" data-attributes="member: 1003"><p>I thought of that, and not really. Yes it's keyed to Charisma which is nice but damage dice is capped at d8 and you cannot take the Blade Pact Invocations like Thirsty Blade or Lifedrinker. Shillelagh really isn't a great choice for Warlocks because without Blade Pact you can't get the Invocations that make being in melee worthwhile.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Actually I'm not sure that's true. Say you went with Fighter 2/Warlock 3 to be at equivalent level. What do you pick up and what do you lose? </p><p></p><p>GAIN</p><p>-Heavy armor and shields for free. 2 Feats. But you're not 4th level in either class yet, so you lose a Feat too. On net it's only +1.</p><p>-Fighting style</p><p>-Action Surge</p><p>-Second Wind</p><p></p><p>That's it. You also get different Saves and Skills but I'd say those are net zero benefit.</p><p></p><p>LOSE</p><p>-1 Feat (not 4th level yet)</p><p>-1 Cantrip</p><p>-2 spells known</p><p>-1 Invocation</p><p>-Extra Attack Invocation. Ouch.</p><p>-2 HP per DO Blessing</p><p>-3rd level spells.</p><p></p><p>The last one is a big deal because all your spells are less effective. Your loss of 5 HP from AoA and loss of 2 HP/DOB more than offsets the Second Wind. The loss of Extra Attack doesn't make Action Surge worth it. Loss of Vampiric Touch or Fireball. The list goes on. Sure you get these things eventually, but always being two levels behind on magic just for Fighting Style, Action Surge and Feat doesn't seem worth it.</p><p></p><p>I'm actually coming around to the OP's point of view. The Bladelock might be a bit sub-par but multiclassing doesn't help much.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Irda Ranger, post: 7092297, member: 1003"] I thought of that, and not really. Yes it's keyed to Charisma which is nice but damage dice is capped at d8 and you cannot take the Blade Pact Invocations like Thirsty Blade or Lifedrinker. Shillelagh really isn't a great choice for Warlocks because without Blade Pact you can't get the Invocations that make being in melee worthwhile. Actually I'm not sure that's true. Say you went with Fighter 2/Warlock 3 to be at equivalent level. What do you pick up and what do you lose? GAIN -Heavy armor and shields for free. 2 Feats. But you're not 4th level in either class yet, so you lose a Feat too. On net it's only +1. -Fighting style -Action Surge -Second Wind That's it. You also get different Saves and Skills but I'd say those are net zero benefit. LOSE -1 Feat (not 4th level yet) -1 Cantrip -2 spells known -1 Invocation -Extra Attack Invocation. Ouch. -2 HP per DO Blessing -3rd level spells. The last one is a big deal because all your spells are less effective. Your loss of 5 HP from AoA and loss of 2 HP/DOB more than offsets the Second Wind. The loss of Extra Attack doesn't make Action Surge worth it. Loss of Vampiric Touch or Fireball. The list goes on. Sure you get these things eventually, but always being two levels behind on magic just for Fighting Style, Action Surge and Feat doesn't seem worth it. I'm actually coming around to the OP's point of view. The Bladelock might be a bit sub-par but multiclassing doesn't help much. [/QUOTE]
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