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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Otterscrubber" data-source="post: 7094039" data-attributes="member: 4588">To the OP:  I think folks who say that are missing the point of a Warlock.  They want to make the ultimate fighter, without playing a Fighter.  If Warlocks were as good in melee as a fighter, who would play a fighter?  Can they be good in melee, hell yeah!!  As good as a fully optimized Fighter?  Depends on the situation.  D&D is an RPG, it's more than just stats.  It's about style, creativity and how you want to play.  I'm playing a lvl 14 Fiend Patron Pact blade warlock and it is one of the most enjoyable characters I've ever played in D&D, any edition.  He can hold his own in melee, but against a truly tough foe he's got to think it out.  Close quarters?  Darkness, which i can see through and most other melee classes can't, I win.  Not close quarter?  Charm the fighter into getting somehwhere I can use that combo.  Or just make him my monkey for the duration.  Invisibility, check.  Ranged attack if needed, check.  Disguise self to sneak into somewhere, check.  He's got a lot more options out of combat, and plenty in combat to help him get advantages when needed.  All else fails, dimension door to get out of a bad situation and strike again when terms are more to my liking or that of my group.  Plus there are some strong arguments for making a class that only helps the others in your party.    There is a poster here, Treantmonk, who has a great guide for wizards who are all support.  Not even magic missile is in their repertoire.  Completely changed every encounter their group had.  Could just as easily be a Warlock, Bard, Cleric as well.  Unplayable without multi-classing?  Nothing could be further from the truth.  If you want to min/max, have fun and do it, but there are a number of advantages to getting all the way to 20 with just one class.  And not just due to style.  I will say this, though, some of the lvl 20 abilities are a bit soft and that is the main reason to multi-class if all you want is on paper bennies.  Most lvl 1-3 abilities of other classes will outstrip the usual daily ability of a 20th lvl character.  I think they should fix that a bit.  Getting to 20 should be a solid goal for a class, with a reward that outshines the benefits of dipping into another class. Again, it's a style thing.  Might be slightly more advantageous to multi-class, but unplayable?  C'mon, enough with the hyperbole.</blockquote>

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