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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 7242243" data-attributes="member: 16814">It was your scenario, sir.  Please do not offload blame into me for following the format you set up.No, I specifically disagree with this.  At level 4, the Bladesinger is dead dead to a single crit from a monster dealing 11 damage on average.  100% hp in a single blow dead.   The fighter, if archetype is included, had quite a few more ways to extend life that your analysis ignores.  Shield spell is available to the EK, maneuvers that disadvantage the enemy for battlemasters.  The champion is, indeed, screwed.And I mistakenly advantaged the bladesinger damage output by 4.5/round above, so her effectiveness while risking instant death is even worse.A bladesinger can tank, to a point, but is very vulnerable to bad luck in ways the fighter is not.  And, while tanking, has very poor damage output.  As you note below, he more effective acting as a wizard, which already overshadows fighters, than stepping into the fighters baliwick, where even with her high AC, the bladesinger is mediocre.Yup, which makes her as effective as an other tradition wizard if she chooses to stay away from melee.  My argument isn't that wizards dying overshadow fighters, it's that the bladesinger isn't any worse about jut.</blockquote>