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<blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 7257845" data-attributes="member: 16814"><p>No. Better than a champion in plate and shield with style, yes. On par with champion with platemail and greatsword. No comparisons to EK or BM were made.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Not quite, they keep their 3rd slots in half the cases, but they aren't free to use unless the bladesinger is anticipating never having a below average day.</p><p></p><p>The play comments have been that thers a constant worry about being in fights with low resouces, and this analysis bears that out. A CON save of +2, even with advantage, means the bladesinger will fail thar check when hit 20% of the time. That's blur needing to be recast, slowing damage out and burning more resources, and with 4 hits accepted, that's a nontrivial chance.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Hmm. Our sample bladesinger is 20 INT, 18 DEX, 14 CON @ 6th level. 1 ASI so 18, 18, 14 as the high stats. High elf neans a start of 17, 16, 14. We can't get this with any generation method other than rolling, as it has 2 scores over 15. So, I'm not following thus argument at all.</p><p></p><p>With point buy we can get a 15, 15, 14 start at the expense of -1 in 2 other stats. High elf gets 17I, 16D, 14C, and 1 ASI is 19I, 16D, 14C. That's a bladesong AC of 19, which us far, far less egregious than 21 due to how disadvantage works. This bladesinger has serious issues.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Not in your scenarios, it's not. It's a wizard, with high rolled stats, that is on par with a champion wuth greatsword, and who dedicates pretty much all of their wizarding to do so. </p><p></p><p>At higher levels, their trick isn't as good, and they can do more wizarding, but they can't do both at once. The bladesinger can be a wizard OR a tank, but not both at the same time. Again, I reference the mystic theurge. As with the MT, action economy acts as a strong break to the bladesinger.</p><p></p><p>What we've shown, really, is that the champion makes for a poor tank if focused on defense. This is a low hanging fruit, really.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ovinomancer, post: 7257845, member: 16814"] No. Better than a champion in plate and shield with style, yes. On par with champion with platemail and greatsword. No comparisons to EK or BM were made. Not quite, they keep their 3rd slots in half the cases, but they aren't free to use unless the bladesinger is anticipating never having a below average day. The play comments have been that thers a constant worry about being in fights with low resouces, and this analysis bears that out. A CON save of +2, even with advantage, means the bladesinger will fail thar check when hit 20% of the time. That's blur needing to be recast, slowing damage out and burning more resources, and with 4 hits accepted, that's a nontrivial chance. Hmm. Our sample bladesinger is 20 INT, 18 DEX, 14 CON @ 6th level. 1 ASI so 18, 18, 14 as the high stats. High elf neans a start of 17, 16, 14. We can't get this with any generation method other than rolling, as it has 2 scores over 15. So, I'm not following thus argument at all. With point buy we can get a 15, 15, 14 start at the expense of -1 in 2 other stats. High elf gets 17I, 16D, 14C, and 1 ASI is 19I, 16D, 14C. That's a bladesong AC of 19, which us far, far less egregious than 21 due to how disadvantage works. This bladesinger has serious issues. Not in your scenarios, it's not. It's a wizard, with high rolled stats, that is on par with a champion wuth greatsword, and who dedicates pretty much all of their wizarding to do so. At higher levels, their trick isn't as good, and they can do more wizarding, but they can't do both at once. The bladesinger can be a wizard OR a tank, but not both at the same time. Again, I reference the mystic theurge. As with the MT, action economy acts as a strong break to the bladesinger. What we've shown, really, is that the champion makes for a poor tank if focused on defense. This is a low hanging fruit, really. [/QUOTE]
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