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<blockquote data-quote="clearstream" data-source="post: 7259684" data-attributes="member: 71699"><p>Remember we're not arguing that BS is <em>invulnerable</em>: <strong>this is about <u>relative</u> strength</strong>. Look at the numbers: what happens to Defense Champion (AC 21) or GWM Battlemaster (AC 18) on the same basis? They're already destroyed by the 50% point. This reflects my playtests: GWM Battlemaster can't reduce the number of attacks taken enough to survive. I'm going to tidy up these PDFs and then post them here so that others can look at exactly the numbers we're seeing. They clearly show that BS survives a greater percentage of days than the martial characters.</p><p></p><p></p><p>If you are dissatisfied with the party composition: propose one and we can test it. If you are dissatisfied with tactics, describe the tactics you want applied. Same with the scenario. If you can't propose a scenario in which BS doesn't shine, why should your claim that there is one feel compelling?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Unfortunately that character doesn't stay standing. They get in some good swings, and fall.</p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>To progress the discussion</strong>, do you concur that we do not need to show that BS is invulnerable? What we need to do is look across the cases, and see that <em>more of the time</em> the party with the BS does better than the party with the martial (assertion 1) and at least as well as the party with the Diviner (assertion 3). Thus, at whatever point we can see that other martials are destroyed by, if BS survives past that it is stronger.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="clearstream, post: 7259684, member: 71699"] Remember we're not arguing that BS is [I]invulnerable[/I]: [B]this is about [U]relative[/U] strength[/B]. Look at the numbers: what happens to Defense Champion (AC 21) or GWM Battlemaster (AC 18) on the same basis? They're already destroyed by the 50% point. This reflects my playtests: GWM Battlemaster can't reduce the number of attacks taken enough to survive. I'm going to tidy up these PDFs and then post them here so that others can look at exactly the numbers we're seeing. They clearly show that BS survives a greater percentage of days than the martial characters. If you are dissatisfied with the party composition: propose one and we can test it. If you are dissatisfied with tactics, describe the tactics you want applied. Same with the scenario. If you can't propose a scenario in which BS doesn't shine, why should your claim that there is one feel compelling? Unfortunately that character doesn't stay standing. They get in some good swings, and fall. [B]To progress the discussion[/B], do you concur that we do not need to show that BS is invulnerable? What we need to do is look across the cases, and see that [I]more of the time[/I] the party with the BS does better than the party with the martial (assertion 1) and at least as well as the party with the Diviner (assertion 3). Thus, at whatever point we can see that other martials are destroyed by, if BS survives past that it is stronger. [/QUOTE]
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