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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5633470" data-attributes="member: 82106">Not necessarily. Subclasses have the same power list and meet the same prereqs as the 'base' class (so a Mage IS a Wizard for all rules purposes). However, a subclass doesn't have all the class features (or actually any of them by default) of the base class. In fact as of now there is technically no such thing as a character that is just a 'Wizard', you would be a Wizard (Arcanist), or a Wizard (Mage), or a Wizard (Bladesinger). Since proficiency with implements is a class feature Bladesinger doesn't 'inherit' any implement proficiencies from Wizard, because Wizard is now an empty shell class that has no class features (they all belong to Arcanist now). So, no, out of the box a Bladesinger can use wands, period. You can use Arcane Implement Proficiency to get access to other types of implements. Of course you don't have implement mastery either, for the same reason, so there's not a lot of difference between implements for a Bladesinger, though you might get access to a specific enchantment you want.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 5633470, member: 82106"] Not necessarily. Subclasses have the same power list and meet the same prereqs as the 'base' class (so a Mage IS a Wizard for all rules purposes). However, a subclass doesn't have all the class features (or actually any of them by default) of the base class. In fact as of now there is technically no such thing as a character that is just a 'Wizard', you would be a Wizard (Arcanist), or a Wizard (Mage), or a Wizard (Bladesinger). Since proficiency with implements is a class feature Bladesinger doesn't 'inherit' any implement proficiencies from Wizard, because Wizard is now an empty shell class that has no class features (they all belong to Arcanist now). So, no, out of the box a Bladesinger can use wands, period. You can use Arcane Implement Proficiency to get access to other types of implements. Of course you don't have implement mastery either, for the same reason, so there's not a lot of difference between implements for a Bladesinger, though you might get access to a specific enchantment you want. [/QUOTE]

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