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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mannahnin" data-source="post: 9724969" data-attributes="member: 7026594">There seems to be a.... teensy-tiny earseeker-sized excluded middle here.   <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f606.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":LOL:" title="Laugh    :LOL:"  data-smilie="17"data-shortname=":LOL:" />If increasing a single ability score from 16 to 18 requires twenty Wishes, that certainly says something about the availability of Wishes in that campaign.  I think I saw one Wish used in all the years I played AD&D.Possible, but what he actually documented in writing when he talked about it in the 70s was the highest level characters being mid-teens, not 18th.  In a Q&A here on ENworld <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/q-a-with-gary-gygax.22566/post-1372315" target="_blank">he said that when Mordenkainen hit 18th he was basically retired</a>, and only occasionally pulled out for special one-shots.And Gary put such restrictions on casting Wish that by themselves they strongly disincentivize using them for power gain.  The PH specifies that the caster isn't debilitated if they use the spell to recover hit points, return the dead to life, or save the caster & party from a bad situation.  But other sorts of wishes (like increasing ability scores) put the caster completely out of commission, requiring bed rest and unable to use magic for 2-8 days.  That's a lot of time for an archmage to spend helpless and exposed to enemy action for a measly 10th of a point to an ability score.</blockquote>

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