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<blockquote data-quote="Celtavian" data-source="post: 5471223" data-attributes="member: 5834">reAdd up everything.Fighter Two-hander lvl 9Str 20+7 str+9 power att (2h weapon)+2 spec+2 weapon training+1 weapon+21 damage for first attackSecond and third attack due to haste:+10 str+9 power att+2 spec+2 weapon training+1 weapon+24Crit: 72 damage+3d12+2d8= 100 average damage (97 with first hit)And it keeps on multiplying and getting worse the higher level he gets with double power attack at lvl 15 and more attacks benefiting from backswing.What does an arcane caster have to match this?I'm already using Empower Spell.Let's face it. For pure damage, the deck is stacked with melee, and two-hander fighter is at the top by a huge margin. No one can touch a two-hander fighter for damage.At lvl 20 power attack is +18 for a regular two-hander fighter and +24 for a dedicated 2-hander fighter.Toss in spells like haste, rage, enhancement bonus to str, giant form and bard bonuses, and an arcane caster can't keep up with blast spells unless it is a whole bunch of targets. Even then it is mostly a waste of a spell when the melee can tear through them one or two a round.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celtavian, post: 5471223, member: 5834"] [b]re[/b] Add up everything. Fighter Two-hander lvl 9 Str 20 +7 str +9 power att (2h weapon) +2 spec +2 weapon training +1 weapon +21 damage for first attack Second and third attack due to haste: +10 str +9 power att +2 spec +2 weapon training +1 weapon +24 Crit: 72 damage+3d12+2d8= 100 average damage (97 with first hit) And it keeps on multiplying and getting worse the higher level he gets with double power attack at lvl 15 and more attacks benefiting from backswing. What does an arcane caster have to match this? I'm already using Empower Spell. Let's face it. For pure damage, the deck is stacked with melee, and two-hander fighter is at the top by a huge margin. No one can touch a two-hander fighter for damage. At lvl 20 power attack is +18 for a regular two-hander fighter and +24 for a dedicated 2-hander fighter. Toss in spells like [i]haste[/i], [i]rage[/i], enhancement bonus to str, [i]giant form[/i] and bard bonuses, and an arcane caster can't keep up with blast spells unless it is a whole bunch of targets. Even then it is mostly a waste of a spell when the melee can tear through them one or two a round. [/QUOTE]

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