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Blatant abuse of the five foot step?
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<blockquote data-quote="mrtauntaun" data-source="post: 2532148" data-attributes="member: 14429"><p>To futher expand upon the Ogre example, please <strong>Consider the Following</strong> (TM, Bill Nye the Science Guy):</p><p></p><p>A character is in melee combat with an ogre near a ledge. He makes a full attack and take a '5 Foot Step' off the ledge, and begins to fall downwards. Now, as he is moving well within the ogre's threatened area, this would provoke an AoO normally. </p><p></p><p>'But a 5 foot step never provokes an AoO!!!!'</p><p></p><p>In this case, because the total movement is net beyond 5 feet within the ogre's threatened area, it would have to, even though the only action the player declared was a 5 foot step. I would therefore state this (the step into air) can not be done on these grounds as well, since such a movement would have to provoke an AoO. </p><p>A move action, providing the same result (jumping down, or walking off as a move) would certainly provide an AoO, so this would as well.</p><p>Now, there is the arguement out there that falling is not considered movement. I would think since this would have to provoke an AoO in this example, it would have to be considered so.</p><p>I knew there was a way I could further complicate this: involve AoO's <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> </p><p></p><p>I think that makes sense <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /></p><p>Anyone?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mrtauntaun, post: 2532148, member: 14429"] To futher expand upon the Ogre example, please [B]Consider the Following[/B] (TM, Bill Nye the Science Guy): A character is in melee combat with an ogre near a ledge. He makes a full attack and take a '5 Foot Step' off the ledge, and begins to fall downwards. Now, as he is moving well within the ogre's threatened area, this would provoke an AoO normally. 'But a 5 foot step never provokes an AoO!!!!' In this case, because the total movement is net beyond 5 feet within the ogre's threatened area, it would have to, even though the only action the player declared was a 5 foot step. I would therefore state this (the step into air) can not be done on these grounds as well, since such a movement would have to provoke an AoO. A move action, providing the same result (jumping down, or walking off as a move) would certainly provide an AoO, so this would as well. Now, there is the arguement out there that falling is not considered movement. I would think since this would have to provoke an AoO in this example, it would have to be considered so. I knew there was a way I could further complicate this: involve AoO's :) I think that makes sense :p Anyone? [/QUOTE]
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