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<blockquote data-quote="SBMC" data-source="post: 2533398" data-attributes="member: 30040">Think about it - he is intentionally stepping off the cliff; that is not the same as &quot;jumping down&quot; which requires a move action (you can read this entire 4 page thread to see the arguments of that made).The PC is trying to avoid the move action by &quot;stepping off&quot; the ledge. Then, you are saying he hits the ground (and gets the same tumble check as anyone who did &quot;Jump Down&quot; per the RAW) - so he gets a free move there. If he gets from the ledge to the ground after doing something intentionally to make that happen without being charged an action it is indeed a free action. Intentionally being the key word there. I had posted first a bit back on this thread about forcing the PC to take max damage - is that what you are talking about? If it si then I would say, as I did before, that that is perhaps a way to make it cost something.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="SBMC, post: 2533398, member: 30040"] Think about it - he is intentionally stepping off the cliff; that is not the same as "jumping down" which requires a move action (you can read this entire 4 page thread to see the arguments of that made). The PC is trying to avoid the move action by "stepping off" the ledge. Then, you are saying he hits the ground (and gets the same tumble check as anyone who did "Jump Down" per the RAW) - so he gets a free move there. [I][B]If he gets from the ledge to the ground after [U]doing something intentionally to make that happen[/U] [U]without being charged an action[/U] it is indeed a free action.[/B][/I] [I][B]Intentionally[/B][/I] being the key word there. I had posted first a bit back on this thread about forcing the PC to take max damage - is that what you are talking about? If it si then I would say, as I did before, that that is perhaps a way to make it cost something. [/QUOTE]

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