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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Primitive Screwhead" data-source="post: 2533769" data-attributes="member: 20805">There are alot of red herrings running about this thread <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Consider: Joe is temporarily blinded but has the blind-fight feat. He lashes out with a full attack against his foe and steps to the side..... Right over a ledge.  OrJoe is fighting in a hall, he lashes out with a full attack against his foe and steps back...onto a trap door covering a 20' pit.  OrJoe has fought the buggers off, his back to a ledge. The mean BBG bullrushes him... over the ledge........Why should I rule any different when a PC chooses to step to the side over a ledge?To me its quite simple. The player takes an action, then pays the consequences for that action.   The FAQ appears to actually be helpful in this matter <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />I think its easier to think of it as voluntary and non-voluntary movement. Voluntary movement restrictions are based on voluntary movement and ignores any non-voluntary movement.Other silly considerations..   Illusionary pit over a solid floor. If you rule that you cannot 5' step into the air off a ledge, can you 5' step out 'into the air' of an illusionary pit?So, for me the RAW reads as: let him step. He falls and may make a Tumble check in an attempt to reduce the damage from his involuntary movement.</blockquote>

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