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Blatant abuse of the five foot step?
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<blockquote data-quote="Primitive Screwhead" data-source="post: 2533769" data-attributes="member: 20805"><p>There are alot of red herrings running about this thread <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Consider: </p><p></p><p>Joe is temporarily blinded but has the blind-fight feat. He lashes out with a full attack against his foe and steps to the side..... Right over a ledge.</p><p></p><p> Or</p><p></p><p>Joe is fighting in a hall, he lashes out with a full attack against his foe and steps back...onto a trap door covering a 20' pit.</p><p></p><p> Or</p><p></p><p>Joe has fought the buggers off, his back to a ledge. The mean BBG bullrushes him... over the ledge.</p><p></p><p>.......</p><p></p><p>Why should I rule any different when a PC chooses to step to the side over a ledge?</p><p></p><p>To me its quite simple. The player takes an action, then pays the consequences for that action. </p><p> The FAQ appears to actually be helpful in this matter <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>I think its easier to think of it as voluntary and non-voluntary movement. Voluntary movement restrictions are based on voluntary movement and ignores any non-voluntary movement.</p><p></p><p>Other silly considerations.. </p><p> Illusionary pit over a solid floor. If you rule that you cannot 5' step into the air off a ledge, can you 5' step out 'into the air' of an illusionary pit?</p><p></p><p></p><p>So, for me the RAW reads as: let him step. He falls and may make a Tumble check in an attempt to reduce the damage from his involuntary movement.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Primitive Screwhead, post: 2533769, member: 20805"] There are alot of red herrings running about this thread :) Consider: Joe is temporarily blinded but has the blind-fight feat. He lashes out with a full attack against his foe and steps to the side..... Right over a ledge. Or Joe is fighting in a hall, he lashes out with a full attack against his foe and steps back...onto a trap door covering a 20' pit. Or Joe has fought the buggers off, his back to a ledge. The mean BBG bullrushes him... over the ledge. ....... Why should I rule any different when a PC chooses to step to the side over a ledge? To me its quite simple. The player takes an action, then pays the consequences for that action. The FAQ appears to actually be helpful in this matter :) I think its easier to think of it as voluntary and non-voluntary movement. Voluntary movement restrictions are based on voluntary movement and ignores any non-voluntary movement. Other silly considerations.. Illusionary pit over a solid floor. If you rule that you cannot 5' step into the air off a ledge, can you 5' step out 'into the air' of an illusionary pit? So, for me the RAW reads as: let him step. He falls and may make a Tumble check in an attempt to reduce the damage from his involuntary movement. [/QUOTE]
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