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<blockquote data-quote="DND_Reborn" data-source="post: 7921401" data-attributes="member: 6987520"><p>Actually, it <em>is</em> true with attacks, but perhaps many tables overlook it or simply choose not to play that way?</p><p></p><p><strong>Unseen Attackers and Targets</strong> (PHB, p.194-195)</p><p></p><p><em>When you attack a target that you can’t see, you have disadvantage on the attack roll. This is true whether you’re guessing the target’s location or you’re targeting a creature you can hear but not see. <u>If the target isn’t in the location you targeted, you automatically miss</u>, but the DM typically just says that the attack missed, not whether you guessed the target’s location correctly.</em></p><p></p><p>See the underlined statement.</p><p></p><p>So, if you target an invisible enemy with, say Firebolt. I imagine many DMs just say, "Ok, your attack is with disadvantage, go ahead and roll." <em>BUT</em> that isn't the case. The DM should ask "Where are you casting at?" because if the space the caster is attacking, believing the invisible creature there, is NOT its actual location, the spell should "automatically miss."</p><p></p><p>A long time ago we had a fight with an Invisible Stalker, and this how the DM played it. It <em>was</em> frustrating because at the time we had no way of knowing where it was, and often were attacking spaces where it wasn't even there. <em>If</em> you know the location, then you certainly attack with disadvantage. If you are guessing, it might not even be there.</p><p></p><p>This is why AoE spells, and particularly spells such as Faerie Fire, are so good, because they negate the disadvantage on the attack roll or make it inconsequential.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DND_Reborn, post: 7921401, member: 6987520"] Actually, it [I]is[/I] true with attacks, but perhaps many tables overlook it or simply choose not to play that way? [B]Unseen Attackers and Targets[/B] (PHB, p.194-195) [I]When you attack a target that you can’t see, you have disadvantage on the attack roll. This is true whether you’re guessing the target’s location or you’re targeting a creature you can hear but not see. [U]If the target isn’t in the location you targeted, you automatically miss[/U], but the DM typically just says that the attack missed, not whether you guessed the target’s location correctly.[/I] See the underlined statement. So, if you target an invisible enemy with, say Firebolt. I imagine many DMs just say, "Ok, your attack is with disadvantage, go ahead and roll." [I]BUT[/I] that isn't the case. The DM should ask "Where are you casting at?" because if the space the caster is attacking, believing the invisible creature there, is NOT its actual location, the spell should "automatically miss." A long time ago we had a fight with an Invisible Stalker, and this how the DM played it. It [I]was[/I] frustrating because at the time we had no way of knowing where it was, and often were attacking spaces where it wasn't even there. [I]If[/I] you know the location, then you certainly attack with disadvantage. If you are guessing, it might not even be there. This is why AoE spells, and particularly spells such as Faerie Fire, are so good, because they negate the disadvantage on the attack roll or make it inconsequential. [/QUOTE]
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