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<blockquote data-quote="Keravath" data-source="post: 7921454" data-attributes="member: 6916036"><p>RAW seems pretty clear at least in my opinion.</p><p></p><p>Bless can target up to three creatures within range. It does not require you to be able to see them. The general rules for targeting spells indicate that you can't target a creature behind total cover. (It is an entirely separate argument as to what might constitute total cover in some circumstances but lets assume the creature is around a corner behind a stone wall with no ability to see them).</p><p></p><p>In this case, although they are in range, they are behind total cover and are not a valid target.</p><p></p><p>However, bless does not require you to be able to see the target, so if the caster is blinded, the targets are invisible, the characters are all in darkness or a fog cloud, bless can still affect three creatures within range who are not behind total cover.</p><p></p><p>------------</p><p></p><p>Whether bless can target a hidden creature within range who is not behind total cover is a DM call. 5e rules aren't exhaustive and the DM has to step in at some points. In this case, the caster might say that they cast bless on the rogue (who is hidden and the caster may not know exactly where they are) and the DM might then indicate that they aren't a valid target (because they aren't in range anymore) and the DM can decide whether the caster can choose an alternate target or not. It can easily be roleplayed or explained as the character knowing as part of the spell casting what creature they choose might be an available target for the spell when they try to apply it to that creature. (It is a divine spell after all <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> ).</p><p></p><p>-------------</p><p></p><p>Finally, whenever a creature attacks it reveals where it is. That creature does not become hidden again unless it successfully takes the hide action. Under these circumstance, the characters know where the target is but attacks suffer disadvantage because they can not see it. Invisible creatures do not get to move around and attack with impunity without revealing their location (at least RAW). A DM is welcome to play it some other way if they prefer but the example of an invisible stalker which the characters constantly lose track of is not RAW. Even the invisible stalker description states:</p><p></p><p>"A creature might hear and feel an invisible stalker in passing, but the elemental remains invisible even when it attacks."</p><p></p><p>The presence of the invisible stalker can be heard and felt so unless it takes an action to be particularly quiet and move slowly leaving no trace, represented by a successful stealth check, the position of the stalker will be known to the characters.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Keravath, post: 7921454, member: 6916036"] RAW seems pretty clear at least in my opinion. Bless can target up to three creatures within range. It does not require you to be able to see them. The general rules for targeting spells indicate that you can't target a creature behind total cover. (It is an entirely separate argument as to what might constitute total cover in some circumstances but lets assume the creature is around a corner behind a stone wall with no ability to see them). In this case, although they are in range, they are behind total cover and are not a valid target. However, bless does not require you to be able to see the target, so if the caster is blinded, the targets are invisible, the characters are all in darkness or a fog cloud, bless can still affect three creatures within range who are not behind total cover. ------------ Whether bless can target a hidden creature within range who is not behind total cover is a DM call. 5e rules aren't exhaustive and the DM has to step in at some points. In this case, the caster might say that they cast bless on the rogue (who is hidden and the caster may not know exactly where they are) and the DM might then indicate that they aren't a valid target (because they aren't in range anymore) and the DM can decide whether the caster can choose an alternate target or not. It can easily be roleplayed or explained as the character knowing as part of the spell casting what creature they choose might be an available target for the spell when they try to apply it to that creature. (It is a divine spell after all :) ). ------------- Finally, whenever a creature attacks it reveals where it is. That creature does not become hidden again unless it successfully takes the hide action. Under these circumstance, the characters know where the target is but attacks suffer disadvantage because they can not see it. Invisible creatures do not get to move around and attack with impunity without revealing their location (at least RAW). A DM is welcome to play it some other way if they prefer but the example of an invisible stalker which the characters constantly lose track of is not RAW. Even the invisible stalker description states: "A creature might hear and feel an invisible stalker in passing, but the elemental remains invisible even when it attacks." The presence of the invisible stalker can be heard and felt so unless it takes an action to be particularly quiet and move slowly leaving no trace, represented by a successful stealth check, the position of the stalker will be known to the characters. [/QUOTE]
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