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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DND_Reborn" data-source="post: 7921508" data-attributes="member: 6987520">I disagree for the very reason of the passage I quoted. If you attack in a space where you think an invisible creature is, that attack is with disadvantage. If you attack a space, but the creature isn't there, you automatically miss. It is right there in the text of the PHB. I you automatically know its location why have the rule?You are basically saying the invisible stalker could walk/fly yo to someone, and unless it is trying to be stealthy, you "know" its location...In the case of the Invisible Stalker, once it attacked, it moved; and we had no idea where it was--what space it had moved to. We made perception checks to try to find out if we could guess accurately.But, perhaps, this is a reason why such a creature should be able to stealth as a bonus action? It isn't really hiding, it is trying to be quiet. Honestly, it was almost a year ago, and maybe the DM did have it attack one round and then hide then next?I should also point out that with Stealth +10, and the disadvantage for being invisible (the -5 adjustment), without even rolling a DM could rule you would need a passive perception of 15 or higher to notice it without making a check. Just a thought--there is really no rule to cover it.If invisible creatures don't move around and take advantage of their ability, then you have a very kind DM. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />The stalker attacks, and can move/ fly up to 50 feet away without provoking an OA (since it can't be seen). We have no way of knowing where it went because it can move slowly even if it doesn't use its action to hide (which in this case is really moving "quietly"). Remember, in 5E, movement is movement. Unless you take the "Dash" action, nothing says your movement is "quick" or anything like it.Now, the passage you quote about the stalker is true. And that is how we defeated it. Everyone started Readying their action to attack when the stalker struck. THAT is when we knew (or had a good idea anyway) what space it was likely in, and could make attacks with disadvantage. Prior to that, we were rolling Perception checks so see if we could determine what direction it was in. If we did, we attacked with disadvantage; if we failed, we guessed. Then we started using the Ready action.(Note: a perception check is made to notice something, not just when something is hidden or invisible. That is why our DM allowed us to try to find it by hearing checks.)Your interpretation of the rule is fine, but again in 5E a lot of rules are open to interpretation and not "RAW". While there are rules for the game, adjudicating them using common sense is how we play.</blockquote>

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