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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Wraithdrit" data-source="post: 1051704" data-attributes="member: 10820">So I'm looking over the stats of the guards for my campaign's next few encounters in CotSQ. Lalala... guards... sentries... hmm, you know there is gonna be some sneak going on... lets see so whats their spot.5th level drow fighters. With Alertness. Spot ... +4. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused    :confused:"  data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /> 5th level drow fighter without Alertness. Spot ... +2! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused    :confused:"  data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /> <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused    :confused:"  data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /> *picks self up off floor *So this guys JOB is to be a guard, and he can't notice a first level cutpurse hiding 5 feet away!Elves get a +2 spot naturally. Alertness gives you +2 spot. So this guys JOB is to see things and he has spent no skill points on spot?!?! I know its a cross class skill... but come on!So at least, a shuffling of skill points will be done.But then I got to thinking. This guys job is to be a guard, so would it be appropriate for him to have a level of ranger or rogue (giving him Spot as a class skill...) Or is that over kill?Should I mention that this is a 11th level campaign right now, with a rogue/ranger that have near god like hiding powers? Even if you ignore the +5 (+10) hide item each carries, they have like +14 - +18 hide checks to begin with!So at 5th level, is it reasonable to have a drow guard with alertness have spent his max of 4 in the skill, +4 for elf/alertness, for +8? I would think so.If I take one level of ranger instead of fighter, or even split the levels evenly, we could be talking about an 8 rank skill, +4 for 12.Seems reasonable for a 5th level drow guard. After all... spotting is his job.</blockquote>

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