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Message: <blockquote data-quote="niteshade6" data-source="post: 1078583" data-attributes="member: 10320">"IF true, this is silly and inconsistent. I haven't found one instance of "behind" regarding sneak attack or any other combat in any core book."Please read what I wrote more carefuly. The rogue does not get the bonus because he's behind the enemy, he gets it because he sneaks up on his enemy who does not know he's there. It's logical to assume though that when he sneaks up on people he does so from behind although this may not always be the case. " "Silent and hidden" is a buncha crap as an answer. "I have no idea what you mean by this. Try explaining your arguments rather then just hurling insults."Another case in point: A deaf person and I are the only two people on the battlefield, and he is not yet threatened. I want to attack him from behind to get my "attacking from behind" bonus. How would I know when I can do that? What is the "attacking from behind" bonus you speak of?"If he doesn't know your there, and you can attack him while he still doesn't know your there, you get a bonus as if you are invisible. Once again please read what I wrote more carefuly. Presumably if your not hidden and your attacking a deaf person who doesn't know your there your doing so from behind. However this is just flavor, the actual bonus you get is for being "invisible"."It's the 3e attempt, but this is not entirely accurate because you do not have to be "behind" someone to flank them. 2 people 180 degrees from one another can't be behind the same humanoid, for example. WOTC created this flanking rule to avoid the facing question. Which one's facing the front of the enemy? "Neither of them are because the target is trying to deal with both their attacks simultaneously, rather then suicidaly turning his back on one and lettimg them kill him. Thus they both get bonuses."The one attacking them" is the default answer, but then you see that you're not really getting a flanking bonus for being BEHIND them, are you?"But it means about the same thing. I don't know why this bothers you so much."So in other words, you accept the idea that the wizard's sense of direction when blind is unerring. That's fine. But I can see how there might be other valid opinions."No, I'm just telling you how the player would tell the Dm how he wants to target his spell. The dicusion was how you would do this without facing, which as I said is completely unnecesarily in this situation. "I, for one, think that if you asked that same wizard to run down the hallway he just saw that eventually he's gonna run into a side wall. ""I agree with you, and that's something you as a DM can adjudicate. You can roll to see if the lightning bolt is slightly off center, or if the fireball doesn't quite hit the spot he wanted it to. How you determine if this happens or not is up to you, but presumably intuit direction or it's 3.5 equivelent would help.I</blockquote>

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