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<blockquote data-quote="Bagpuss" data-source="post: 3344637" data-attributes="member: 3987">NopeThey aren't natural or else they would be natural abilities, and you'd get them when you polymorphed into the creature, but as it is now you don't. Of course I think in some cases they are indeed natural but for every creature in D&amp;D blindsight and blindsense are extraordinary so aren't natural.natural in bold I am using the word as a defined game term, natural none bold I am using the word as to mean a something occurring in nature that follows the known laws of physics.&nbsp;And so do many extraordinary ones (it says so in the SRD definition).Exactly.The problem in some cases bats, porpoises, etc. Blindsight and blindsense should be natural, but in the rules they are always extraordinary.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Bagpuss, post: 3344637, member: 3987"] Nope They aren't [B]natural [/B]or else they would be [B]natural[/B] abilities, and you'd get them when you polymorphed into the creature, but as it is now you don't. Of course I think in some cases they are indeed natural but for every creature in D&D blindsight and blindsense are extraordinary so aren't [B]natural[/B]. [B]natural in bold[/B] I am using the word as a defined game term, natural none bold I am using the word as to mean a something occurring in nature that follows the known laws of physics. And so do many extraordinary ones (it says so in the SRD definition). Exactly. The problem in some cases bats, porpoises, etc. Blindsight and blindsense should be [B]natural[/B], but in the rules they are always extraordinary. [/QUOTE]

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