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<blockquote data-quote="Saeviomagy" data-source="post: 766674" data-attributes="member: 5890">Personally, I'd say that, at present, every creature with blindsight cannot automatically see hidden creatures, and that they use either their listen or spot skills to pick them up, whichever is better.Also, I'd consider introducing the rule from d20 modern which stats 'you may only hide if you have more than X concealment or Y cover from your opponent&quot;. It's assumed in 3rd ed, but it's not codified.This means that a rogue who hides in some shadows wil fail to hide from a creature with blindsight, but one who hides behind a rock will succeed. (the blindsight would negate the concealment of the shadow, and therefore render the thief unable to hide)Allowing blindsight to completely trump the hide skill is about as dumb as letting invisibility completely trump the spot skill. It's not done, it just adds significant modifiers to the rolls involved.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Saeviomagy, post: 766674, member: 5890"] Personally, I'd say that, at present, every creature with blindsight cannot automatically see hidden creatures, and that they use either their listen or spot skills to pick them up, whichever is better. Also, I'd consider introducing the rule from d20 modern which stats 'you may only hide if you have more than X concealment or Y cover from your opponent". It's assumed in 3rd ed, but it's not codified. This means that a rogue who hides in some shadows wil fail to hide from a creature with blindsight, but one who hides behind a rock will succeed. (the blindsight would negate the concealment of the shadow, and therefore render the thief unable to hide) Allowing blindsight to completely trump the hide skill is about as dumb as letting invisibility completely trump the spot skill. It's not done, it just adds significant modifiers to the rolls involved. [/QUOTE]

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