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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 2030824" data-attributes="member: 2011">Well first off, it is debatable whether you can see clearly into the Material Plane from the Ethereal one.DMG page 151: &quot;While it is possible to see into the Material Plane from the Ethereal Plane, the Ethereal Plane is usually invisible to those on the Material Plane.&quot;.But even if you cannot, one reason the designers did NOT make the miss chance from the ethereal plane a concealment one might be because the Rogue does not swing when he is on the ethereal plane, he swings when he is back on the material plane. But, there is a slim chance that he might pop back into the ethereal plane before he is successful.Think about it carefully. The Rogue blinks back and forth, confusing his opponents. At the same time, he confuses himself. His opponents are invisible half of the time (assuming he cannot see them from the Ethereal Plane), just like he is invisible half of the time to them.If you read the flavor text of the spell, they should have a 50% miss chance of hitting him AND he should have a 50% miss chance for hitting them.From the flavor text of what happens (blinking in and out of the material plane), there should be NO differences between his attacks against opponents and their attacks against him. He doesn't see them half the time (assuming he cannot see from the Ethereal Plane), they do not see him half of the time.However, that would make for a very boring spell and one which gives no advantage to the target of the spell.Hence, you cannot use the &quot;he is concealed&quot; argument since it is not a concealment miss chance. That's why the rules are written as is (when they are well written), so that it is clear what is allowed and what is not allowed.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 2030824, member: 2011"] Well first off, it is debatable whether you can see clearly into the Material Plane from the Ethereal one. DMG page 151: "While it is possible to see into the Material Plane from the Ethereal Plane, the Ethereal Plane is usually invisible to those on the Material Plane.". But even if you cannot, one reason the designers did NOT make the miss chance from the ethereal plane a concealment one might be because the Rogue does not swing when he is on the ethereal plane, he swings when he is back on the material plane. But, there is a slim chance that he might pop back into the ethereal plane before he is successful. Think about it carefully. The Rogue blinks back and forth, confusing his opponents. At the same time, he confuses himself. His opponents are invisible half of the time (assuming he cannot see them from the Ethereal Plane), just like he is invisible half of the time to them. If you read the flavor text of the spell, they should have a 50% miss chance of hitting him AND he should have a 50% miss chance for hitting them. From the flavor text of what happens (blinking in and out of the material plane), there should be NO differences between his attacks against opponents and their attacks against him. He doesn't see them half the time (assuming he cannot see from the Ethereal Plane), they do not see him half of the time. However, that would make for a very boring spell and one which gives no advantage to the target of the spell. Hence, you cannot use the "he is concealed" argument since it is not a concealment miss chance. That's why the rules are written as is (when they are well written), so that it is clear what is allowed and what is not allowed. [/QUOTE]

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