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<blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 5092801" data-attributes="member: 35909">Wow, Blink has wonkier text than I remembered.&nbsp; Why the heck does seeing invisibility help against it at all?&nbsp; I also don't see the rationale in ghost touch weapons not always working.&nbsp; Just read this line about one of the drawbacks: &quot;Likewise, your own attacks have a 20% miss chance, since you sometimes go ethereal just as you are about to strike.&quot;As far as I can tell, at any split second, you're either on the material plane or the Ethereal plane.&nbsp; If there is a sort of limbo-esque &quot;transition&quot; stage where you're on neither, I guess that would explain things, but I don't think that's how it works.&nbsp; So...if a ghost touch weapon is used, either by the caster or against the caster...the miss chance should be 0%.&nbsp; Either the caster is on one plane or the other.&nbsp; Ghost touch hits on both planes.&nbsp; End of story.On the other hand, being ethereal also makes you invisible.&nbsp; I still think caster + ghost touch weapon = no miss chance.&nbsp; For the case of attacking the caster with a ghost touch weapon...I still don't buy the concealment explanation.&nbsp; He's clearly in the one spot, and blinking rapidly enough that you can determine where in the square he is and isn't, the miss is happening in case he pops out of the plane when you strike.&nbsp; But if you have a ghost touch weapon, that doesn't matter.Since being ethereal includes going invisible, I don't think invisibility adds anything at all to the Blink spell.&nbsp; It'd be a waste to have both running simultaneously.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="StreamOfTheSky, post: 5092801, member: 35909"] Wow, Blink has wonkier text than I remembered. Why the heck does seeing invisibility help against it at all? I also don't see the rationale in ghost touch weapons not always working. Just read this line about one of the drawbacks: "Likewise, your own attacks have a 20% miss chance, since you sometimes go ethereal just as you are about to strike." As far as I can tell, at any split second, you're either on the material plane or the Ethereal plane. If there is a sort of limbo-esque "transition" stage where you're on neither, I guess that would explain things, but I don't think that's how it works. So...if a ghost touch weapon is used, either by the caster or against the caster...the miss chance should be 0%. Either the caster is on one plane or the other. Ghost touch hits on both planes. End of story. On the other hand, being ethereal also makes you invisible. I still think caster + ghost touch weapon = no miss chance. For the case of attacking the caster with a ghost touch weapon...I still don't buy the concealment explanation. He's clearly in the one spot, and blinking rapidly enough that you can determine where in the square he is and isn't, the miss is happening in case he pops out of the plane when you strike. But if you have a ghost touch weapon, that doesn't matter. Since being ethereal includes going invisible, I don't think invisibility adds anything at all to the Blink spell. It'd be a waste to have both running simultaneously. [/QUOTE]

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