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<blockquote data-quote="irdeggman" data-source="post: 5093176" data-attributes="member: 16285">Rules Compendiumpg 32&quot;Concealment&quot;&quot;multiple concelament conditions don't stack. If a creature receives miss chances from multiple sources, such as from being incorporeal and having concealment, only the highest miss chance applies.&quot;pg 51&quot;Etherealness&quot;&quot;Unlike incorporeal creatures, ethereal creatures aren't present on the Material Plane.&quot;&quot;Ethereal creatures are invisible, inaudible, insubstantial, and scentless to creatures on the Material Plane.&quot;&quot;See invisibility and true seeing reveal etheral creatures. Even if a creature on the Material Plane can see an ethereal creature, the ethereal creature in on another plance.&quot;pg 64&quot;Incorporeality&quot;&quot;If a creature receives miss chances from multiple sources, such as being incorporeal and having concealment, they don't stack. Only the highest miss chance applies.&quot;Blink (from SRD)&quot;Physical attacks against you have a 50% miss chance, and the Blind-Fight feat doesn’t help opponents, since you’re ethereal and not merely invisible. If the attack is capable of striking ethereal creatures, the miss chance is only 20% (for concealment).If the attacker can see invisible creatures, the miss chance is also only 20%. (For an attacker who can both see and strike ethereal creatures, there is no miss chance.) Likewise, your own attacks have a 20% miss chance, since you sometimes go ethereal just as you are about to strike.&quot;So it appears that blinks causes you to be on another plane 20% of the time - which means that you can't interact with things on the Material Plane during that time (except via ghost touch or force type attacks).Opponents have a 50% miss chance (but 20% of that is specifically from concealment) - so a 30% miss chance, except that it specifies that the miss chance is 20% even if they can see you (i.e., negates the concealment). Really poor math, but probably done for &quot;simplicity&quot; and not accuracy.So since concealment does not stack:I would say that an invisible, blinking creature has a 50% miss chance (from total concealment and can't be attacked at all unless the square it occupies is known) - whereas a blinking (not invisible) creature can be attacked with a 50% miss chance - since you can determine what square it is in. This miss chance goes to 20% if the opponent can see invisible.Basically no additional miss chance from being invisible, only a harder time being found.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="irdeggman, post: 5093176, member: 16285"] Rules Compendium pg 32 "Concealment" "multiple concelament conditions don't stack. If a creature receives miss chances from multiple sources, such as from being incorporeal and having concealment, only the highest miss chance applies." pg 51 "Etherealness" "Unlike incorporeal creatures, ethereal creatures aren't present on the Material Plane." "Ethereal creatures are invisible, inaudible, insubstantial, and scentless to creatures on the Material Plane." "See invisibility and true seeing reveal etheral creatures. Even if a creature on the Material Plane can see an ethereal creature, the ethereal creature in on another plance." pg 64 "Incorporeality" "If a creature receives miss chances from multiple sources, such as being incorporeal and having concealment, they don't stack. Only the highest miss chance applies." Blink (from SRD) "Physical attacks against you have a 50% miss chance, and the Blind-Fight feat doesn’t help opponents, since you’re ethereal and not merely invisible. If the attack is capable of striking ethereal creatures, the miss chance is only 20% [B](for concealment).[/B] If the attacker can see invisible creatures, the miss chance is also only 20%. (For an attacker who can both see and strike ethereal creatures, there is no miss chance.) Likewise, your own attacks have a 20% miss chance, since you sometimes go ethereal just as you are about to strike." So it appears that blinks causes you to be on another plane 20% of the time - which means that you can't interact with things on the Material Plane during that time (except via ghost touch or force type attacks). Opponents have a 50% miss chance (but 20% of that is specifically from concealment) - so a 30% miss chance, except that it specifies that the miss chance is 20% even if they can see you (i.e., negates the concealment). Really poor math, but probably done for "simplicity" and not accuracy. So since concealment does not stack: I would say that an invisible, blinking creature has a 50% miss chance (from total concealment and can't be attacked at all unless the square it occupies is known) - whereas a blinking (not invisible) creature can be attacked with a 50% miss chance - since you can determine what square it is in. This miss chance goes to 20% if the opponent can see invisible. Basically no additional miss chance from being invisible, only a harder time being found. [/QUOTE]

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