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<blockquote data-quote="BASHMAN" data-source="post: 4189011" data-attributes="member: 8277"><p>Actually what we "didn't need" was levels 21-30 in the first PHB. If they cut out 1/3 of the levels (and thus 1/3 of the powerz, and half of the prestige thingies), there would have totally been enough room for Barbarians, Druids, bards, Sorcerers, & Monks. Also room for Half-Orc & Gnome in PHB this way. </p><p></p><p>This is the thing though-- it was a marketing decision.</p><p></p><p>A WotC marketing person may have seen some statistics that only 50% of the 4E gamers will buy a 4e equivalent of an Epic handbook. But 95% will buy the book w/ the missing classes. </p><p></p><p>Essentially shuffling around the information in a way that will (hopefully) guarantee more sales. the Only chance for it not to work is A. the game fails (which it won't) and B. it pisses off people like me who resent the marketing tactics of holding hostage certain races & classes for $40-- instead of just introducing genuinly new (and thus more optional) stuff in such a book. </p><p></p><p>But the folks boycotting like me are few & far between, and likely have no bearing on business decisions. The market will bear this, so they can get away with doing it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BASHMAN, post: 4189011, member: 8277"] Actually what we "didn't need" was levels 21-30 in the first PHB. If they cut out 1/3 of the levels (and thus 1/3 of the powerz, and half of the prestige thingies), there would have totally been enough room for Barbarians, Druids, bards, Sorcerers, & Monks. Also room for Half-Orc & Gnome in PHB this way. This is the thing though-- it was a marketing decision. A WotC marketing person may have seen some statistics that only 50% of the 4E gamers will buy a 4e equivalent of an Epic handbook. But 95% will buy the book w/ the missing classes. Essentially shuffling around the information in a way that will (hopefully) guarantee more sales. the Only chance for it not to work is A. the game fails (which it won't) and B. it pisses off people like me who resent the marketing tactics of holding hostage certain races & classes for $40-- instead of just introducing genuinly new (and thus more optional) stuff in such a book. But the folks boycotting like me are few & far between, and likely have no bearing on business decisions. The market will bear this, so they can get away with doing it. [/QUOTE]
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