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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ShockMeSane" data-source="post: 4189193" data-attributes="member: 64606">I think this is the first time that I've strongly disagreed with one your statements Hong. I know they are usually controversial, and I may not agree 100%, but here I just beg to differ.Including higher level base rules makes everything else easier to balance out. If we were to mirror the 3e development cycle and release the epic handbook after how many classes had been developed.... in 4e can you even imagine the nightmare? New powers for every class added up to that point, every class you want to release post that updated to X level, etc etc. I have to agree that creating a higher base level makes the game substantially easier to expand in the future. Even the Epic handbook1 would be pretty well stocked with pages simply including level 21-30 powers for all 13 base 3E classes, Epic Destinies, etc.But perhaps Im just coming from a place of bitterness, as someone who though the Epic Levels book in 3.x was worthless beyond comprehension. Because when Wizards aren't overpowered enough, let them design their own no-save spells.....</blockquote>