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<blockquote data-quote="catsclaw227" data-source="post: 4859795" data-attributes="member: 14197">I also think it's important to recognize the difference between bloat and a glut of products.I perceive the term bloat to cover mechanics that I would need to use to make best use of the game.&nbsp; If there is too much or there is a perception that there is too much, then we feel rules bloat.I perceive the term glut to cover a continuous release of products with &quot;optional&quot; ideas, not critical to playing the game.&nbsp; Arcane power woudl be bloat for a person playing an arcanist or a DM with an arcanist or two in the party, but for a party of primals and martials, then it is just a glut of extra information not necessary to the enhancement of our game.OGL and 3.x d20 had a massive glut of products, both from WOTC and of course 3PP (massive, massive glut).&nbsp; But not all of them were necessarily going to be usable by players at the table.&nbsp;&nbsp; It also added bloat.&nbsp; Once books like Spell Compendium and Magic Item Compendium came out (and gave the DMs fits) there was a perception that players with PC casters needed SC to be effective.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="catsclaw227, post: 4859795, member: 14197"] I also think it's important to recognize the difference between bloat and a glut of products. I perceive the term bloat to cover mechanics that I would need to use to make best use of the game. If there is too much or there is a perception that there is too much, then we feel rules bloat. I perceive the term glut to cover a continuous release of products with "optional" ideas, not critical to playing the game. Arcane power woudl be bloat for a person playing an arcanist or a DM with an arcanist or two in the party, but for a party of primals and martials, then it is just a glut of extra information not necessary to the enhancement of our game. OGL and 3.x d20 had a massive glut of products, both from WOTC and of course 3PP (massive, massive glut). But not all of them were necessarily going to be usable by players at the table. It also added bloat. Once books like Spell Compendium and Magic Item Compendium came out (and gave the DMs fits) there was a perception that players with PC casters needed SC to be effective. [/QUOTE]

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