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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dungeoneer" data-source="post: 6326194" data-attributes="member: 91777">I'm probably chiming in on this thread too late to do anything but get lost in the flow, but I have a thought about char-op:I don't believe the rise of charop has anything to do with 3e or 4e. The rise of charop has to do with the rise of the internet.The charop community depends on being, well, a community. Different people try different things. They share ideas. They build on those ideas. Those big game-breaking builds don't appear out of thin air. In the days of 2e there weren't big, easily accessible online forums were people could exchange charop ideas. People who were into min-maxing most likely had to do in isolation. It wasn't that the rules were less breakable or that the players were different or whatever. There was just less opportunity.Basically what I'm saying is, D&D is just one more thing ruined by the internet. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />People who don't think that 5e will be prone to charop are kidding themselves. You put enough minds together trying to break a set of rules and they will.</blockquote>