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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 6326870" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>On the precise contrary, it's why it's completely <strong>right</strong>. Because he makes incorrect, pejorative assertions about what others enjoy about the game. That's the entire problem. He's saying that 3/4E don't "reward clever ideas at the table" (which is gibberish) and repeatedly asserting that 3/4E are about pre-game optimization, and enjoyed by people primarily for that.</p><p></p><p>That's simply not true. Even of the people I know who do enjoy optimization to a greater or lesser degree, none of them find it the primary reason to play an RPG - it's just one thing they enjoy.</p><p></p><p>So his talking about them as if it was the sole thing they enjoyed is really solid edition-warring. It's inescapable. When you step beyond talking about things that work and things that don't about editions, and instead making blanket value-assertions about them and their players, you are pretty much always edition-warring.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is just untrue. People understand what Schwalb is saying perfectly well. That's extremely clear from this very thread. There's no significant confusion. What there is, is disagreement as to whether he's right.</p><p></p><p>To cast Schwalb and by extension, yourself, as Sancho Panza, and to make the blanket assertion that all who disagree are "Don Quixote" is really the height of hypocrisy, <em>when you're talking about people not engaging with perspectives which disagree with their own</em>. The very thing you are failing to engage with, and instead simply dismissing as tilting at windmills! Amazing.</p><p></p><p>It would be very hard to adopt a more hypocritical position than that.</p><p></p><p>EDIT - Quote fixed as pointed out! Sorry about that!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 6326870, member: 18"] On the precise contrary, it's why it's completely [B]right[/B]. Because he makes incorrect, pejorative assertions about what others enjoy about the game. That's the entire problem. He's saying that 3/4E don't "reward clever ideas at the table" (which is gibberish) and repeatedly asserting that 3/4E are about pre-game optimization, and enjoyed by people primarily for that. That's simply not true. Even of the people I know who do enjoy optimization to a greater or lesser degree, none of them find it the primary reason to play an RPG - it's just one thing they enjoy. So his talking about them as if it was the sole thing they enjoyed is really solid edition-warring. It's inescapable. When you step beyond talking about things that work and things that don't about editions, and instead making blanket value-assertions about them and their players, you are pretty much always edition-warring. This is just untrue. People understand what Schwalb is saying perfectly well. That's extremely clear from this very thread. There's no significant confusion. What there is, is disagreement as to whether he's right. To cast Schwalb and by extension, yourself, as Sancho Panza, and to make the blanket assertion that all who disagree are "Don Quixote" is really the height of hypocrisy, [I]when you're talking about people not engaging with perspectives which disagree with their own[/I]. The very thing you are failing to engage with, and instead simply dismissing as tilting at windmills! Amazing. It would be very hard to adopt a more hypocritical position than that. EDIT - Quote fixed as pointed out! Sorry about that! [/QUOTE]
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