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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 6327062" data-attributes="member: 87792">This bears no resemblance to my experience of 4E. And out come the ad hominems.Creative thought is not the same as being a Darwin Award waiting to happen. In  short "If you are an incompetent, everyone else has to take up your  slack" - as applies to any game where there is a meaningful team  challenge.  The way you describe it, creative thought appears to involve  playing a Kender, a Fishmalk, or something else that actively hinders  the party and expecting there to be no consequences.What exactly do you mean by "Creative Thought" other than "An excuse to not carry your weight"?  (Which is the opposite of what it means to me)In short there is no reward for creative thought in any edition of D&D except 4th.  So what are you arguing?Once.  Ever.  And that was because it was (a) a one hour session and (b) we hadn't seen each other in months. No.    And I can create a brand new 4e character in a class I know nothing  about in literally 5 minutes.  And have it play effectively.Frequently.  The only serious problem 4E has is Feats.</blockquote>