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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 6327256" data-attributes="member: 2525"><p>I did not try to deny the reality of the present, I said don't reinforce excuses for bad behavior we both know exists in the present in some people. Which is why I said you're being cynical by not merely acknowledging the bad behavior, but saying it's inevitable and by implication not something we should push back against. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, it's not, and I think it's unwise that you present your limited experience as universal enough to judge whatr is "human behavior" in general. Some people are like that, others are not, and I think it's best to not reinforce acceptance of bad behavior.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You're arguing Hobbes' Leviathan (one source for the justification for dictatorships), and better men than you and I have argued he was extremely wrong - like John Locke (one source for the justification for democracies). Examples of bad behavior from the past do not show that all humans behaved badly in the past - just that there were SOME people who behaved badly in the past, and similarly in the past some others pushed back against it. Which is my point. Don't reinforce excuses for bad behavior by pretending it's just "human" to behave badly. </p><p></p><p>You sound to me like a cop who has just been on the beat too long and he's so burned out by just seeing the bad that people do that he thinks all people are just that way. "People" are not just that way. My wife for example would never have dreamed of engaging in personal attacks on an author, strawmanning him and projecting her emotions on him, no matter what she thought of it. Lots of people I know would not do that. It's not just "human" behavior you're commenting on, it's "bad" human behavior I am commenting on. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Human nature is not, by nature, to behave like a dick on the internet or otherwise. It's what you've had to deal with for so many years however, so I can understand why you've come to believe it's just natural universal human nature, if that's what you're getting at. Which is why I said you've become very cynical.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 6327256, member: 2525"] I did not try to deny the reality of the present, I said don't reinforce excuses for bad behavior we both know exists in the present in some people. Which is why I said you're being cynical by not merely acknowledging the bad behavior, but saying it's inevitable and by implication not something we should push back against. No, it's not, and I think it's unwise that you present your limited experience as universal enough to judge whatr is "human behavior" in general. Some people are like that, others are not, and I think it's best to not reinforce acceptance of bad behavior. You're arguing Hobbes' Leviathan (one source for the justification for dictatorships), and better men than you and I have argued he was extremely wrong - like John Locke (one source for the justification for democracies). Examples of bad behavior from the past do not show that all humans behaved badly in the past - just that there were SOME people who behaved badly in the past, and similarly in the past some others pushed back against it. Which is my point. Don't reinforce excuses for bad behavior by pretending it's just "human" to behave badly. You sound to me like a cop who has just been on the beat too long and he's so burned out by just seeing the bad that people do that he thinks all people are just that way. "People" are not just that way. My wife for example would never have dreamed of engaging in personal attacks on an author, strawmanning him and projecting her emotions on him, no matter what she thought of it. Lots of people I know would not do that. It's not just "human" behavior you're commenting on, it's "bad" human behavior I am commenting on. Human nature is not, by nature, to behave like a dick on the internet or otherwise. It's what you've had to deal with for so many years however, so I can understand why you've come to believe it's just natural universal human nature, if that's what you're getting at. Which is why I said you've become very cynical. [/QUOTE]
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