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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 6327627" data-attributes="member: 42582"><p>There is a lot of going "meta" on this thread.</p><p></p><p>Schwalb did not just state his own play preferences. He made a post arguing that, in certain ways, 3E and 4e have hurt the game by leading to departures from the "heart" of D&D, and emphasising maths over creativity.</p><p></p><p>These claims are controversial (and forseeably so). Those who disagree, unsurprisingly, post their disagreements. And then instead of either saying "fair enough", or articulating why Schwalb is right, there is a move to the meta-level, of diagnosing why those who disagree with Schwalb are thin-skinned, or edition warriors, or whatever.</p><p></p><p>If you don't think Schwalb is right in diagnosing 3E and 4e as having harmed D&D, then why post agreement with him? If you do, then how can you be shocked that not everyone thinks that that is true?</p><p></p><p>How do you think I found [MENTION=6688858]Libramarian[/MENTION]'s comment, if not by reading them?</p><p></p><p>I don't think Schwalb is telling others how to play the game. He's diagnosising certain systems, and the way they're played, as having spoiled the game in a certain way. I don't see how the "broader context" changes this. It just reinforces it, in the way that [MENTION=3400]billd91[/MENTION] observed upthread.</p><p></p><p>I don't think that the "heart of the game" needed rescuing from 4e. (Others can comment on 3E.) Schwalb zpparently does. That's a point of disagreement between me and him (and those who agree with him), and I don't see why it's so objectionable that I should articulate it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 6327627, member: 42582"] There is a lot of going "meta" on this thread. Schwalb did not just state his own play preferences. He made a post arguing that, in certain ways, 3E and 4e have hurt the game by leading to departures from the "heart" of D&D, and emphasising maths over creativity. These claims are controversial (and forseeably so). Those who disagree, unsurprisingly, post their disagreements. And then instead of either saying "fair enough", or articulating why Schwalb is right, there is a move to the meta-level, of diagnosing why those who disagree with Schwalb are thin-skinned, or edition warriors, or whatever. If you don't think Schwalb is right in diagnosing 3E and 4e as having harmed D&D, then why post agreement with him? If you do, then how can you be shocked that not everyone thinks that that is true? How do you think I found [MENTION=6688858]Libramarian[/MENTION]'s comment, if not by reading them? I don't think Schwalb is telling others how to play the game. He's diagnosising certain systems, and the way they're played, as having spoiled the game in a certain way. I don't see how the "broader context" changes this. It just reinforces it, in the way that [MENTION=3400]billd91[/MENTION] observed upthread. I don't think that the "heart of the game" needed rescuing from 4e. (Others can comment on 3E.) Schwalb zpparently does. That's a point of disagreement between me and him (and those who agree with him), and I don't see why it's so objectionable that I should articulate it. [/QUOTE]
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