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<blockquote data-quote="Jester David" data-source="post: 6330172" data-attributes="member: 37579"><p>The difference is a 3e rogue without combat skills won't be able to get the flanks needed to take advantage of sneak attack (not without risking death). Often they won't be able to at all because movement through an enemy's space is required. They'll be at the edge of the combat with the wizard using a crossbow. </p><p>A 4e rogue who takes all social skills will still be very effective in combat as so many rogue powers add movement. Most of a class' combat effectiveness comes from their powers and not their skills and feats. </p><p></p><p></p><p>I'll repeat: there's variance in combat effectiveness but far, far less variance than 3e. When you look at the variance when comparing a 4e character and another 4e character it will look like a lot but when you compare the effectiveness of a low-damage 3e character and low-damage 4e the difference is. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Which kinda proves my emphasises that 90% of edition warring is in the reader. I say something 4e fans take as derogatory regarding 4e, that characters in that edition are more dedicated to a single purpose than 3e, and they spend the next 3 days trying to prove me wrong. </p><p></p><p>Oh, and in this instance I'm not a 4e detractor. IIRC I picked an example to try and expand Schwab's point about builds and system mastery, and tried to pick one that wouldn't cause an edition war. But just like Schwab, because it's slightly implied that there's a possibility that I might be being negative regarding 3e or 4e and suddenly everyone NEEDS to defend their beloved edition from the slight.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jester David, post: 6330172, member: 37579"] The difference is a 3e rogue without combat skills won't be able to get the flanks needed to take advantage of sneak attack (not without risking death). Often they won't be able to at all because movement through an enemy's space is required. They'll be at the edge of the combat with the wizard using a crossbow. A 4e rogue who takes all social skills will still be very effective in combat as so many rogue powers add movement. Most of a class' combat effectiveness comes from their powers and not their skills and feats. I'll repeat: there's variance in combat effectiveness but far, far less variance than 3e. When you look at the variance when comparing a 4e character and another 4e character it will look like a lot but when you compare the effectiveness of a low-damage 3e character and low-damage 4e the difference is. Which kinda proves my emphasises that 90% of edition warring is in the reader. I say something 4e fans take as derogatory regarding 4e, that characters in that edition are more dedicated to a single purpose than 3e, and they spend the next 3 days trying to prove me wrong. Oh, and in this instance I'm not a 4e detractor. IIRC I picked an example to try and expand Schwab's point about builds and system mastery, and tried to pick one that wouldn't cause an edition war. But just like Schwab, because it's slightly implied that there's a possibility that I might be being negative regarding 3e or 4e and suddenly everyone NEEDS to defend their beloved edition from the slight. [/QUOTE]
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