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Message: <blockquote data-quote="shadowguidex" data-source="post: 4136018" data-attributes="member: 60880">Is it a touch attack...  If so figure out the AC.  If not, whats the AC.  This can't be a normal touch attack because I'm not trying to touch any part of him, just the eyeballs....is their a size modifier....Whats a fricken AC I'm trying to hit...come on dude, we're waiting.Whats the DC?  10?  15?  20?  25?  No high CR monster is ever gonna fail a DC 10 fort check vs. common salt.  Is this MAGIC salt?...Does magic salt have a higher DC?How long is it blinded for?  Permanent, 1 round, 1d4 Rounds, 1d6 Rounds...is there a mechanic somewhere to tell me, or am I choosing arbitrarily....Whats the effects of Blinded again (Look up in back of DMG)?  Ok, It loses it's Dex bonus ands you guys get bonus to hit, wait...it has blind fight so no you don't.  Ok, so his new AC is lower, and I gotta roll all my 50% Miss chance a second time because of blind fighting...damn it has 5 attacks per round...  (Commence 5 minute monster die rolling round - the players all decide that this is a good time to take a leak and/or grab some chips and soda, or start talking about Heath Ledger as Joker..till you interrupt them with the damage that resulted from the 40 die rolls)In the end, the DM still has a mechanic that requires arbitration that 4E doesn't require.  4E eliminates the DC and the duration, and just causes a straight Roll X vs. X Defense.  There is no more arbitrarily chosen DC - the only arbitrary arbitration is the choice of what you're rolling (Dex, Athletics, Thievery, etc vs. Reflex, AC, Fortitude, Will) but those exist already in 3E and seem very apparant when you roll a 4E test game.</blockquote>

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