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Message: <blockquote data-quote="dirkformica" data-source="post: 4137115" data-attributes="member: 49178">Well I've just been reading this thread straight through and as far as I can tell this thing sort of started out as "look, here's what some people think about what they've seen and experienced with 4th edition.  They happen to be game developers, some of whom have worked on Dungeons and Dragons in the past."Then it was about how they apparently weren't allowed to have an opinion about 4E for some reason.  Mainly because they didn't have all of the resources available (although this was addressed in the blog that was linked by the writer himself.)   There was also some disdain for giving their opinions of "the feel" of DnD based on this incomplete sampling, which again seems odd to me since no one seems to have ever indicated that they were making blanket judgments against all of 4e, only their limited experience with the game and what they have heard/read/experienced surrounding its development.Some also seemed to think that because some of those people writing on the blog were in the business they shouldn't be speaking out at all.  I don't personally follow this line of thinking especially since they didn't seem to posit their opinions as final judgments from professional game designers, merely as a group of friends playing DnD. Then there is the long, OCD debate about throwing sand/salt into an opponent's eyes (inexplicable to me, it seems to be ongoing.)There was also some discussion about the value of how a game "feels," and how different people arrive at that opinion.  There's also been a good amount of"4e can do everything," and "no it can't," and "well 3.x could do it like this..."  Sometimes this was an offshoot of the OCD/Autistic/Asperger's sand/salt thing.  Along these lines, there have been some general statements about not being able to judge yet because, again, we haven't seen everything and analogies were made between 4e and movie trailers.  There may be more, but those are the main points still fresh in my mind.  You have to kind of love/hate how internet "discussion" follows that line from William Butler Yeats' <a href="http://www.potw.org/archive/potw351.html" target="_blank">'The Second Coming:</a> "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold."I'm curious to see what "rough beast ... slouches towards Bethlehem" next! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

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