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<blockquote data-quote="Greg K" data-source="post: 1386009" data-attributes="member: 5038"><p><strong>B&F feedback</strong></p><p></p><p>Charles, </p><p></p><p>Here is my feedback on B&F. I grabbed several books from storage and used them as reference. </p><p></p><p>Skills</p><p>Pressure Points: Hapkido and some other styles use pressure points to help escape from grapples or to aid in takedowns. Perhaps pressure points can provide a synergy bonus to aid in both escaping from grapples and when tripping opponents.</p><p></p><p>Styles: </p><p>First, several styles do not seem to have 6 points worth of benefits. This is not necessarily a problem since not all styles have as diverse of a syllabus. I limited my comments to styles for which I had books on hand or for which I could recall a fact regarding the style from a book or magaiine which is still in storage</p><p></p><p>Aikido: </p><p> Feats: Add Improved Disarm, Weapons Focus (Katana, Staff)</p><p></p><p>Dragon</p><p> According to Doc Fai Wong's book Shaolin Five Animal Kung Fu, the Dragon </p><p>includes "takedowns (oceans), and clouds (throws)" and the dragon's ability to disappear is reflected in the style's deceptive strikes (Deceptive Strike).</p><p> Feats: Add Deceptive Strike, Chokehold, Improved Trip, Hip Throw</p><p></p><p>Eagle Claw</p><p> Northern Eagle Claw focuses on vital strikes, locks and takedowns (Complete Guide to Kung Fu Fighting Styles). It also teaches Weapon focus (staff or short staff) (see book: Fatal Flute forms)</p><p></p><p> Style Benefit: Eagle stylists use every imaginable joint lock and takedown (Complete Guide to Kung Fu).</p><p> Style Benefit: add Provokes no opportunity when making Grapple attacks.</p><p> Feats: add Improved Trip, Lock Block, Disarm Block, Leg Sweep</p><p></p><p>Hapkido: </p><p>Hapkido also teaches joint locks and breaks, groundfighting, disarms, pressure points and some weaponry. It also has the principle of “Flow Like Water” which might be simulated with Agile Riposte (Sources: Hapkido: Korean Art of Self Defense by (Scott Shaw) Hapkido: The integrated Fighting Art (by Spears);Hapkido: Korean Karate by Bong Soo Han); Martial Arts by Peter Lewis).</p><p></p><p>Prerequisites: Add “or Improved Grapple”</p><p>Style Benefit: Pressure Point Skill </p><p></p><p>Mastery: Accurate Grapple 1, </p><p></p><p>Feats: Agile Riposte, Disarm Block, Lock Block, Ground fighting, Improved Disarm, Improved Grapple, Nerve Strike, Ridgehand, Weapon Focus (Gum (Katana), Yawara, staff, short staff)</p><p> </p><p>Remove: Acrobatics Mastery 2</p><p></p><p>Hapkido also makes extensive use of the “live hand” in which the fingers are spread wide apart. The live hand gives an advantage when escaping grabs and is easy to move into from the knife hand.</p><p></p><p>Jujitsu </p><p>There are lots of different versions of jujitsu. My sources say that Jujitsu emphasizes joint locks and breaks, throws, sweeps, vital strikes (eyes, throat, etc.), and disarms. Here are some suggested changes for someone wanting to duplicate a more traditional approach:</p><p></p><p>Prerequisite Add “or Improved Trip”</p><p>Mastery: Add: Accurate Throw 1, Hard Throw 1, Hard Throw 2</p><p> Remove: Accurate Kick 2, Hard Kick 2, Hard Kick 3</p><p></p><p>Feats: Add Archaic Weapons- Japanese, Disarm Block, Eye Gouge, Ground Fighting, Hip Throw, Improved Disarm, Improved Trip, Momentum Throw, Nerve Strike</p><p></p><p>Remove: Axe Kick, Circle Kick, Jump Kick, </p><p></p><p>Jeet Kune Do</p><p>Bruce Lee drew from many different styles for Jeet Kun Do. Here are two additional maneuvers.</p><p> Add the following feats: Hip Throw, Lock Block</p><p></p><p>Leopard</p><p>The Leopard has an attack "Black Leopard climbs the trees" which is "a series of four rapid leopard fist punches delivered to the fist and torso" (Shaolin Five Animals Kunf Fu by Doc Fai Wong). It sounds like Flurry of Blows from DND, but d20 Modern has no equivalent.</p><p></p><p>Monkey</p><p> Add: Ground Fighting, Power Attack, Weapon Focus: Staff (Complete Guide to Kung Fu Fighting Styles)</p><p></p><p>Ninjutsu</p><p>Some forms of Ninjutsu have tumbling dodges and sweeps.</p><p> Add the following feats: Dodge Roll, Leg Sweep</p><p> Ninjutstu also has combat where the attacker strikes attacking the attacker’s punching arm rather than blocking it. </p><p></p><p>Thai Kickboxing</p><p>Feat: add Toughness</p><p></p><p>Tiger</p><p>The Tiger teaches Joint Locks and makes some use of Pressure Points (Shaolin Five Animal Kung Fu). It also has a back kick called "Tiger stretches his back leg". (Shaolin Five Animals Kung Fu)</p><p></p><p>Feats: add Back Kick, Toughness</p><p></p><p>White Crane</p><p> White Crane, according to some sources, relies more heavily upon evading an attack and counterstriking rather than blocking. The outstretched arms act not only as balance, buy as deceptive striking attack since the opponent does not know which hand will strike "one hand lies and the other tells the truth" (Complete Guide to Kung Fu Fighting styles).</p><p> Feats: add Deceptive Strike, Replace Dodge Roll with Agile Riposte</p><p> </p><p></p><p>Signature Maneuvers</p><p>I am not sure how I feel about many of the signature moves. Many of the moves listed are not limited to the styles listed.</p><p>Achilles Lock: Several styles (e.g., Hapkido, Jujitsu and Wrestling) use leg lock submissions. Also, the Shin kick to the thigh (practitioners develop their shins by breaking baseball bats with their shins) and flying knee and elbow strikes are usually considered to be the bread butter attacks of Thai boxing</p><p></p><p>Antari: The inside crescent kick is used by several Korean styles.</p><p>Ashi-Sukuto: This kick is used by several styles.</p><p>Cradle Pin: Several styles including Hapkido and Jujitsu use joint locks that take opponents to the ground</p><p>Double Eagle Claw: Used in several styles under various names.</p><p>Nukite Zuki: The spear hand is used in various styles including Tae Kwon Do</p><p>Pak Antari: The outside crescent kick is used by several styles.</p><p>Shuto Uchi: The knife hand is used by many Korean and Chinese styles and is the main hand technique of Hapkido.</p><p>Teisho: The palm heel strike is used in many styles</p><p></p><p>Shadow and Shadow Warrior are both neat, but they don’t feel right as signature moves when the other signature moves are all combat related.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I think I have a few more notes elsewhere. If I can find them, I will post more comments when I get back home.</p><p></p><p>Greg</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Greg K, post: 1386009, member: 5038"] [b]B&F feedback[/b] Charles, Here is my feedback on B&F. I grabbed several books from storage and used them as reference. Skills Pressure Points: Hapkido and some other styles use pressure points to help escape from grapples or to aid in takedowns. Perhaps pressure points can provide a synergy bonus to aid in both escaping from grapples and when tripping opponents. Styles: First, several styles do not seem to have 6 points worth of benefits. This is not necessarily a problem since not all styles have as diverse of a syllabus. I limited my comments to styles for which I had books on hand or for which I could recall a fact regarding the style from a book or magaiine which is still in storage Aikido: Feats: Add Improved Disarm, Weapons Focus (Katana, Staff) Dragon According to Doc Fai Wong's book Shaolin Five Animal Kung Fu, the Dragon includes "takedowns (oceans), and clouds (throws)" and the dragon's ability to disappear is reflected in the style's deceptive strikes (Deceptive Strike). Feats: Add Deceptive Strike, Chokehold, Improved Trip, Hip Throw Eagle Claw Northern Eagle Claw focuses on vital strikes, locks and takedowns (Complete Guide to Kung Fu Fighting Styles). It also teaches Weapon focus (staff or short staff) (see book: Fatal Flute forms) Style Benefit: Eagle stylists use every imaginable joint lock and takedown (Complete Guide to Kung Fu). Style Benefit: add Provokes no opportunity when making Grapple attacks. Feats: add Improved Trip, Lock Block, Disarm Block, Leg Sweep Hapkido: Hapkido also teaches joint locks and breaks, groundfighting, disarms, pressure points and some weaponry. It also has the principle of “Flow Like Water” which might be simulated with Agile Riposte (Sources: Hapkido: Korean Art of Self Defense by (Scott Shaw) Hapkido: The integrated Fighting Art (by Spears);Hapkido: Korean Karate by Bong Soo Han); Martial Arts by Peter Lewis). Prerequisites: Add “or Improved Grapple” Style Benefit: Pressure Point Skill Mastery: Accurate Grapple 1, Feats: Agile Riposte, Disarm Block, Lock Block, Ground fighting, Improved Disarm, Improved Grapple, Nerve Strike, Ridgehand, Weapon Focus (Gum (Katana), Yawara, staff, short staff) Remove: Acrobatics Mastery 2 Hapkido also makes extensive use of the “live hand” in which the fingers are spread wide apart. The live hand gives an advantage when escaping grabs and is easy to move into from the knife hand. Jujitsu There are lots of different versions of jujitsu. My sources say that Jujitsu emphasizes joint locks and breaks, throws, sweeps, vital strikes (eyes, throat, etc.), and disarms. Here are some suggested changes for someone wanting to duplicate a more traditional approach: Prerequisite Add “or Improved Trip” Mastery: Add: Accurate Throw 1, Hard Throw 1, Hard Throw 2 Remove: Accurate Kick 2, Hard Kick 2, Hard Kick 3 Feats: Add Archaic Weapons- Japanese, Disarm Block, Eye Gouge, Ground Fighting, Hip Throw, Improved Disarm, Improved Trip, Momentum Throw, Nerve Strike Remove: Axe Kick, Circle Kick, Jump Kick, Jeet Kune Do Bruce Lee drew from many different styles for Jeet Kun Do. Here are two additional maneuvers. Add the following feats: Hip Throw, Lock Block Leopard The Leopard has an attack "Black Leopard climbs the trees" which is "a series of four rapid leopard fist punches delivered to the fist and torso" (Shaolin Five Animals Kunf Fu by Doc Fai Wong). It sounds like Flurry of Blows from DND, but d20 Modern has no equivalent. Monkey Add: Ground Fighting, Power Attack, Weapon Focus: Staff (Complete Guide to Kung Fu Fighting Styles) Ninjutsu Some forms of Ninjutsu have tumbling dodges and sweeps. Add the following feats: Dodge Roll, Leg Sweep Ninjutstu also has combat where the attacker strikes attacking the attacker’s punching arm rather than blocking it. Thai Kickboxing Feat: add Toughness Tiger The Tiger teaches Joint Locks and makes some use of Pressure Points (Shaolin Five Animal Kung Fu). It also has a back kick called "Tiger stretches his back leg". (Shaolin Five Animals Kung Fu) Feats: add Back Kick, Toughness White Crane White Crane, according to some sources, relies more heavily upon evading an attack and counterstriking rather than blocking. The outstretched arms act not only as balance, buy as deceptive striking attack since the opponent does not know which hand will strike "one hand lies and the other tells the truth" (Complete Guide to Kung Fu Fighting styles). Feats: add Deceptive Strike, Replace Dodge Roll with Agile Riposte Signature Maneuvers I am not sure how I feel about many of the signature moves. Many of the moves listed are not limited to the styles listed. Achilles Lock: Several styles (e.g., Hapkido, Jujitsu and Wrestling) use leg lock submissions. Also, the Shin kick to the thigh (practitioners develop their shins by breaking baseball bats with their shins) and flying knee and elbow strikes are usually considered to be the bread butter attacks of Thai boxing Antari: The inside crescent kick is used by several Korean styles. Ashi-Sukuto: This kick is used by several styles. Cradle Pin: Several styles including Hapkido and Jujitsu use joint locks that take opponents to the ground Double Eagle Claw: Used in several styles under various names. Nukite Zuki: The spear hand is used in various styles including Tae Kwon Do Pak Antari: The outside crescent kick is used by several styles. Shuto Uchi: The knife hand is used by many Korean and Chinese styles and is the main hand technique of Hapkido. Teisho: The palm heel strike is used in many styles Shadow and Shadow Warrior are both neat, but they don’t feel right as signature moves when the other signature moves are all combat related. I think I have a few more notes elsewhere. If I can find them, I will post more comments when I get back home. Greg [/QUOTE]
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