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<blockquote data-quote="Vigilance" data-source="post: 1019523" data-attributes="member: 4275"><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Thanks <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Actually- that was a joke on my part- to the best of my knowledge its the ONLY d20 modern military book <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Still- thanks <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p> <strong>doh! I knew it was too good to be true <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Yep- got that one- and its fixed in the latest update which went out moments ago- all you guys who already bought the game can download the newest version for free.</strong></p><p> <strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>There were some behind the scenes discussions. Let's address each type of feat in turn:</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>MOS Packages- these are essentially occupations minus the wealth bonus. When you look at the more potent occupations in d20 modern, they provide you with a feat- some new class skills- and some wealth. So for a feat you're getting an occupation with no wealth modifier. Also- with the exception of MOS Infantry- I wouldnt really consider the bonus feats MOS packages grant you as optimal. If I gave you a free feat would it be Surface Vehicle Operation (Earthmovers and Bridgelayers)? Air Traffic Control Expert?!? I know I'm picking the worst feats- and there are some good ones in there- but my point is you dont pick the feats- I do <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Advanced Training- some of these provide a bonus to hit in a certain environment- some of them provide some skill bonuses- nothing to write home about. I think the fact that you only get the bonuses in certain environments makes them balanced.</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Elite Unit Assignments- +1 to hit and some skill bonuses is better than Weapon Focus. But here's the rub- Elite Unit Assignments have 2 or 3 feats required before you can take them. As a feat gets harder to take prerequisite wise, it's ok for that feat to edge up in power.</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Is Spring Attack better than Weapon Focus? What about Whirlwind attack? You betcha. That's because those feats are harder to get. Many of the elite units require 2-3 feats- this puts them up a feat chain to the level of- say- Spirited Charge (x3 damage with a charge attack) which is a LOT more powerful than weapon focus.</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Lastly there's the thing that applies to all three of these- the requirement your character be on active or reserve duty. The fact that your character might get yanked out of bed and dropped into a hellhole half way around the world also justifies a benefit in game terms in my opinion.</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Well- I like those ideas for more talents <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>My thought was that unless you jumped from one special forces class to another you could never get more than 3 or 4 anyway- and since characters would likely have different classes, and different MOS packages- that made the range of abilities pretty big. </strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Still- there's no reason to expect that you WONT see more special ops talents in a future product or web enhancement. (Have I mentioned the War on Terror supplement and the free British Special Ops Web En both just around the corner? Who says this isnt the era of the shameless plug?)</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p></p><p>Man- is my face red. D20 Modern has bitten me a few times now. I have read that book cover to cover more times than I can count, and designed 4 games for it, and there's little differences between it and 3E that I havent caught yet.</p><p></p><p>Let me ponder that and figure out what to do for the ambush talent <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Chuck</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Vigilance, post: 1019523, member: 4275"] [B] Thanks :) Actually- that was a joke on my part- to the best of my knowledge its the ONLY d20 modern military book :) Still- thanks :) doh! I knew it was too good to be true :) Yep- got that one- and its fixed in the latest update which went out moments ago- all you guys who already bought the game can download the newest version for free. There were some behind the scenes discussions. Let's address each type of feat in turn: MOS Packages- these are essentially occupations minus the wealth bonus. When you look at the more potent occupations in d20 modern, they provide you with a feat- some new class skills- and some wealth. So for a feat you're getting an occupation with no wealth modifier. Also- with the exception of MOS Infantry- I wouldnt really consider the bonus feats MOS packages grant you as optimal. If I gave you a free feat would it be Surface Vehicle Operation (Earthmovers and Bridgelayers)? Air Traffic Control Expert?!? I know I'm picking the worst feats- and there are some good ones in there- but my point is you dont pick the feats- I do :) Advanced Training- some of these provide a bonus to hit in a certain environment- some of them provide some skill bonuses- nothing to write home about. I think the fact that you only get the bonuses in certain environments makes them balanced. Elite Unit Assignments- +1 to hit and some skill bonuses is better than Weapon Focus. But here's the rub- Elite Unit Assignments have 2 or 3 feats required before you can take them. As a feat gets harder to take prerequisite wise, it's ok for that feat to edge up in power. Is Spring Attack better than Weapon Focus? What about Whirlwind attack? You betcha. That's because those feats are harder to get. Many of the elite units require 2-3 feats- this puts them up a feat chain to the level of- say- Spirited Charge (x3 damage with a charge attack) which is a LOT more powerful than weapon focus. Lastly there's the thing that applies to all three of these- the requirement your character be on active or reserve duty. The fact that your character might get yanked out of bed and dropped into a hellhole half way around the world also justifies a benefit in game terms in my opinion. Well- I like those ideas for more talents :) My thought was that unless you jumped from one special forces class to another you could never get more than 3 or 4 anyway- and since characters would likely have different classes, and different MOS packages- that made the range of abilities pretty big. Still- there's no reason to expect that you WONT see more special ops talents in a future product or web enhancement. (Have I mentioned the War on Terror supplement and the free British Special Ops Web En both just around the corner? Who says this isnt the era of the shameless plug?) [/B] Man- is my face red. D20 Modern has bitten me a few times now. I have read that book cover to cover more times than I can count, and designed 4 games for it, and there's little differences between it and 3E that I havent caught yet. Let me ponder that and figure out what to do for the ambush talent :) Chuck [/QUOTE]
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