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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Zentermi" data-source="post: 571446" data-attributes="member: 9427">Here's how I see it.And please, take this in the tone of discussion for discussions sake. Not antagonism.1) A fiend: Born/created into a world of evil. What choice does it have but to be evil? So sad that the creature has to pay so harshly for the only road it had to take(cue fake tears)Accepting that evil in itself is a force and that the creature itself is an incarnation of evil... The only penalty for this most heinous of evil beings(until reaching epic levels anway) is banishment... you cant 'kill' something if you deal the killing blow on a plane not of its own. So heck... always 'kill' outsiders. You have no moral repercussions whatsoever. But it's a cop-out. Cuz that would be 'the Easy Way'. If faced with a single Vrock, the 8th level paladin and his party has no choice but to subdue it... and then arrange a Plane Shift to the appropriate plane of Hell and kill it for real. Just to be fair.2) An undead. Undead can sometimes be highly intelligent. What if, the Powerful Lich-lord Bosephus(not mindless... was once human)... who has ravaged(killed all who lived within) entire cities... lets say 2 of them. He surrenders.... claiming " I finally see the light of my ways!" Who gets to make the judgement call? Should the paladin then spend the next couple of years buried in semantic discussions with a genocidal Lich-Lord? Or should he just scream vengeance and Holy Sword 'im into calcium deposits3) A child who is a bully: It's a child. 99.9 percent of the time... you bring the kid to an orphanage of your god. There's still time. The child is likely NOT a threat to the party's safety. Properly managed... it should not pose much of a problem. Oh. And by the way. There is nothing inherently heroic about disciplining misbehaving children. I suggest you skip it in your campaign. Chances are if you don't your players will skip your sessions.4) A typically 'evil' humanoid: The worst of the worst. They KNOW the difference between good and evil and CHOOSE evil. They didn't have to. They saw it as the best way to get what they want.  They have the CAPACITY for both... but good... well it just wasn't how they felt like doing things. So they made the concious decision for evil. If they were really proficient at being evil... there will be an evil deity waiting for them with open arms. Or maybe not. But it was their choice. If they had not chosen to put the children/maidens/elderly to the sword to get what they wanted... well Mr. Pal A. Din, would have been off slaying dragons that day and it wouldn't be an issue. In D&D-Land, having a paladin come along to swipe off yer noggin is on the List (#27) for Reasons Not to Do Things the Evil Way. Like I said earlier, it's an easy IF - THEN statement. IF I douse myself in gasoline and light a match.... THEN - I'm going to be horribly burned. IF - I don't douse myself in gasoline... THEN - I most likely will not.The evil is the choice. The act is the nail in your coffin.If it bleeds... It can die...ZentermiPS I really need to spell-check BEFORE I click submit. >sigh<</blockquote>

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