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Message: <blockquote data-quote="keterys" data-source="post: 5071451" data-attributes="member: 43019">I'm Gamist over Simulationist, if we have to use those terms, and I always picked bloodied while dying for grammatical / rules language reasons. For Dying to not include bloodied required creating a mechanic (separate states) or reading into an example not only a rule, but also more than it explicitly said.That said, with regeneration stopping at 0, the only problem that most folks will encounter with the correct ruling is Consecrated Ground. The only real problems with bloodied being a separate state from dying are when creatures gain a bonus while bloodied (such as increased healing, resistance to damage, etc), are able to be conscious while dying or take a dying action, or have healing powers that only work on bloodied targets. When you have a problem with one thing, though, like Consecrated Ground, it's always better to fix that one thing, rather than changing other rules to shortcut it.</blockquote>