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Message: <blockquote data-quote="lottrbacchus" data-source="post: 3613921" data-attributes="member: 48191">Second point first: pretty good point.  And a 1 CL Half-elestial, for example, would have a pretty hard time keeping up with its party of 5th level Humans (this example assumes ECL of 5 for the starting party).First point second: "Cheaper", in this case, still does not mean equal especially if the charater is not a spellcaster.  Even if s/he is a spellcaster, it doesn't add to spells per day or spells known; it only adds to level-dependent variables, many of which have maximum values anyhow (10d6 damage, 5 magic missiles, d8+5 CLW).AND- Half-Dragons are bazillions times stronger to begin with than a Dragon BL.  They get 14(!!!!!!!!!!!) attribute  extra attribute points at the start, and all the other goodies that go along with "pre-paying".  Interestingly, the BL doesn't get breath weapon until 16th level and Nat Armor +2 (instead of +4 IIRC) at 12th; so even after both have paid the +3, the Half- is heaps better than the BL.BTW- This all came about because we had started to start a campaign where the PCs were all Bloodline something.  We decided we might start again so I dug out my notes and notied that if the characters live past 3rd level, their racial choices will actually be hindering them.  There aren't ECL +1 creatures that I know of that get as little as BL does by 3rd.</blockquote>