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<blockquote data-quote="Eldritch_Lord" data-source="post: 5314720" data-attributes="member: 52073"><p>As mentioned, any given bloodline only has three levels. You could, however, take multiple bloodlines to get fey bloodline 3/something bloodline 3/something else bloodline 3/yet another bloodline 1/fighter 10.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It's not a matter of DM ruling at all; it's right there in the bloodline rules: "Include the character's bloodline level when calculating any character ability based on his class levels (such as caster level for spellcasting characters, or save DCs for characters with special abilities whose DCs are based on class level). The character doesn't gain any abilities, spells known, or spells per day from the addition of his bloodline levels, though—only the calculations of his level-based abilities are affected."</p><p></p><p>This is all fine and dandy in a core environment; however, binding is explicitly based on EBL, which is explicitly a calculated level-based ability, as the PrCs add levels together and then reference the abilities a binder gets at that level rather than advancing the "soul binding" class feature itself. It's precisely the same calculation as a wizard 3/cleric 3/bloodline 3 having a CL of 6 for both classes...the difference here being that wizards and clerics don't get extra spells from a high CL, but a high EBL <em>does</em> give you more and better binding. Possibly an oversight on the designers' part, but if you think that's too good it's not bloodlines that are at fault in this case, it's the EBL mechanism.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Precisely. In fact, even with this boost, binding falls short of full casters or well-built melee characters in many cases. It's much more abusive when used with Tome of Battle initiator level since you add half your class levels in non-adept classes and PrCs to initiator level and full class levels in adept classes and PrCs to IL, so for instance a warblade 10/eternal blade 1/bloodline 3 has an initiator level of 13+4 = 17 and can pick up 9th level maneuvers at ECL 14--but even then, while you have higher-level maneuvers you have fewer of them and are squishier, so the boost isn't all that amazing.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Eldritch_Lord, post: 5314720, member: 52073"] As mentioned, any given bloodline only has three levels. You could, however, take multiple bloodlines to get fey bloodline 3/something bloodline 3/something else bloodline 3/yet another bloodline 1/fighter 10. It's not a matter of DM ruling at all; it's right there in the bloodline rules: "Include the character's bloodline level when calculating any character ability based on his class levels (such as caster level for spellcasting characters, or save DCs for characters with special abilities whose DCs are based on class level). The character doesn't gain any abilities, spells known, or spells per day from the addition of his bloodline levels, though—only the calculations of his level-based abilities are affected." This is all fine and dandy in a core environment; however, binding is explicitly based on EBL, which is explicitly a calculated level-based ability, as the PrCs add levels together and then reference the abilities a binder gets at that level rather than advancing the "soul binding" class feature itself. It's precisely the same calculation as a wizard 3/cleric 3/bloodline 3 having a CL of 6 for both classes...the difference here being that wizards and clerics don't get extra spells from a high CL, but a high EBL [I]does[/I] give you more and better binding. Possibly an oversight on the designers' part, but if you think that's too good it's not bloodlines that are at fault in this case, it's the EBL mechanism. Precisely. In fact, even with this boost, binding falls short of full casters or well-built melee characters in many cases. It's much more abusive when used with Tome of Battle initiator level since you add half your class levels in non-adept classes and PrCs to initiator level and full class levels in adept classes and PrCs to IL, so for instance a warblade 10/eternal blade 1/bloodline 3 has an initiator level of 13+4 = 17 and can pick up 9th level maneuvers at ECL 14--but even then, while you have higher-level maneuvers you have fewer of them and are squishier, so the boost isn't all that amazing. [/QUOTE]
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