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<blockquote data-quote="Sacrosanct" data-source="post: 7107263" data-attributes="member: 15700">You know, I don't have nearly the animosity towards paladins that lowkey has, but with the way 5e is designed, what's the point?&nbsp; I mean if you look at the archetype, it can be covered by a fighter or cleric.&nbsp; A paladin was pretty much just a holy warrior, good and just and blah blah blah.&nbsp; One of my longest running and favorite PCs of all time was Merdock, a LG fighter.&nbsp; I didn't have the stats to make him a paladin, so I was a fighter that I played exactly like a paladin.&nbsp; If you want spell casting abilities, why not just do a subclass of the fighter very similar to the EK but with divine spells of healing and abjuration, and subclass features that are like the holy aura's and lay on hands?&nbsp; Why need a separate class for it?&nbsp; And if you want the divine warrior route, just be a cleric of war.On a design sense, I know why they would never release an edition of D&amp;D without the paladin; it just wouldn't feel right.&nbsp; But from a practical sense, it's not needed at all.&nbsp; And lowkey could be happy <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sacrosanct, post: 7107263, member: 15700"] You know, I don't have nearly the animosity towards paladins that lowkey has, but with the way 5e is designed, what's the point? I mean if you look at the archetype, it can be covered by a fighter or cleric. A paladin was pretty much just a holy warrior, good and just and blah blah blah. One of my longest running and favorite PCs of all time was Merdock, a LG fighter. I didn't have the stats to make him a paladin, so I was a fighter that I played exactly like a paladin. If you want spell casting abilities, why not just do a subclass of the fighter very similar to the EK but with divine spells of healing and abjuration, and subclass features that are like the holy aura's and lay on hands? Why need a separate class for it? And if you want the divine warrior route, just be a cleric of war. On a design sense, I know why they would never release an edition of D&D without the paladin; it just wouldn't feel right. But from a practical sense, it's not needed at all. And lowkey could be happy ;) [/QUOTE]

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