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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Nifft" data-source="post: 3458222" data-attributes="member: 6562">Honestly, I'm not sure that I would. I just wanted to see if someone wanted that maneuver, could he get it without needing to take any melee-specific maneuvers or stances? And it seems he could.That's exactly right. I agree that it's strong, but I don't think it's worth losing a round's worth of actions, or taking a penalty for the rest of the encounter.IMHO, appropriate nerfs would be limited to the round in which you initiate -- you could be flat-footed for that round, or you could take a -6 penalty to AC, or something like that. Internally balanced, like a Charge action, rather than "pay-on-credit" like a Wild Surge.However, I think I prefer your mechanic of just giving a fixed number of extra attacks. TSS can be its own unique thing over in Diamond Mind; no need to port it to archery, since it already works with archery just fine. Giving the machine gun archer three or four extra attacks at full BAB (or all with a -2 penalty) would be about the same, but far less controversial. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />If they've got access to Diamond Arrow, Diamond Mind and Celestial Arrow, then they'd be crazy not to exploit some of the key skill synergy between DM and DA.But that's probably even less relevant. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Cheers, -- N</blockquote>

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