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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Piratecat" data-source="post: 3552959" data-attributes="member: 2">Driving in to work, I wondered if I was looking at a worst case scenario. So I ran some numbers this morning. Please keep in mind that here I'm looking at a 20th level character, and I haven't given any thought to balance at lower levels. Take a 20th lvl variant ranger PC with a +5 str bonus, +5 magic bow, +3 misc damage due to misc feat bonuses or magic items, and a +10 to dmg vs. his worst foe. Assume rapid shot.Traditional full attack archery:- A normal arrow averages about 16 pts dmg, or 96 pts with a full attack when all hit. - A full attack with one crit does 107 pts. (Usually not all 6 will hit, though.)- A normal arrow vs a ranger foe does 34 dmg, or 204 pts with a full attack when all hit. - A full attack with one crit does 216 pts. (Usually not all 6 will hit, though.)- Only the crits trigger massive damage saves.Using Diamond Arrow with the 9th lvl strike and either a x2 or x3 stance:- A normal 9th lvl strike does 57 pts, 114 on a x2 stance, and 171 on a x3 stance.- A normal 9th lvl strike vs a ranger foe does 67 pts, 134 on a x2 stance, and 201 on a x3 stance.- A critical hit 9th lvl strike does 171 pts, 228 on a x2 stance, and 285 on a x3 stance.- A critical hit 9th lvl strike vs a ranger foe does 201 pts, 268 on a x2 stance, and 335 on a x3 stance.- Every successful shot triggers a massive damage save. - With no iterative attacks, the arrows are more likely to hit. - Barring feats, this 9th lvl maneuver can only be performed once per encounter; other maneuvers will do less damage.My conclusion: those multipliers cause the biggest imbalance. And since I hate to point out problems without a possible solution...My change would be making the x2 stances grant x1.5, and making the x3 stance grant x2. Okay - where'd I screw up in my analysis?  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>

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