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<blockquote data-quote="Arkhandus" data-source="post: 3812005" data-attributes="member: 13966"><p><strong>*sigh*</strong> Yes, at least sort of, not that's really necessary in the case of Spring Attack.</p><p></p><p>Dragon 354 - "<strong>In the description for strike maneuvers it states that special attack susch as bull rush or sunder cannot be used in combination with a strike. What qualifies as a special attack? Would this include feats such as Power Attack and Cleave or class abilities such as sneak attack?</strong></p><p>The Sage - You can't use bull rush, charge, disarm, grapple, sunder, or trip in combination with a strike unless the strike specifically allows such an attempt. A strike is a special kind of attack all on its own, and can't be replaced by any of these special attacks. Special abilities that just affect your attack roll or damage roll (such as Power Attack or sneak attack) function normally when you use a strike. The text specifically states that you "cannot benefit from spells or effects that grant you extra attacks." The Sage is inclined to include Cleave in that category - you don't get to repeat the strike just because it dropped a foe."</p><p></p><p>Also in the article, which may be relevant to the point - "<strong>When I initiate the time stands still maneuver, can I use either of the full attack actions it grants to initiate other maneuvers?</strong></p><p>The Sage - No, because the maneuver grants you a specific action (a full attack action), not a full-round action. You can't initiate a maneuver as part of a full attack action, since all maneuvers by default require a swift, standard, move, immediate, or full-round action to initiate."</p><p></p><p></p><p>And might I quote you the feat itself?</p><p></p><p>"When using the attack action with a melee weapon, you can move both before and after the attack, provided that your total distance moved is not greater than your speed."</p><p>Maneuvers use their own initiation actions, not attack actions. And I know you already had some long thread trying to get people to explain this to you last month.</p><p></p><p>Maneuvers aren't initiated by an attack action, therefore a strike maneuver isn't useable with Spring Attack.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Arkhandus, post: 3812005, member: 13966"] [B]*sigh*[/B] Yes, at least sort of, not that's really necessary in the case of Spring Attack. Dragon 354 - "[B]In the description for strike maneuvers it states that special attack susch as bull rush or sunder cannot be used in combination with a strike. What qualifies as a special attack? Would this include feats such as Power Attack and Cleave or class abilities such as sneak attack?[/B] The Sage - You can't use bull rush, charge, disarm, grapple, sunder, or trip in combination with a strike unless the strike specifically allows such an attempt. A strike is a special kind of attack all on its own, and can't be replaced by any of these special attacks. Special abilities that just affect your attack roll or damage roll (such as Power Attack or sneak attack) function normally when you use a strike. The text specifically states that you "cannot benefit from spells or effects that grant you extra attacks." The Sage is inclined to include Cleave in that category - you don't get to repeat the strike just because it dropped a foe." Also in the article, which may be relevant to the point - "[B]When I initiate the time stands still maneuver, can I use either of the full attack actions it grants to initiate other maneuvers?[/B] The Sage - No, because the maneuver grants you a specific action (a full attack action), not a full-round action. You can't initiate a maneuver as part of a full attack action, since all maneuvers by default require a swift, standard, move, immediate, or full-round action to initiate." And might I quote you the feat itself? "When using the attack action with a melee weapon, you can move both before and after the attack, provided that your total distance moved is not greater than your speed." Maneuvers use their own initiation actions, not attack actions. And I know you already had some long thread trying to get people to explain this to you last month. Maneuvers aren't initiated by an attack action, therefore a strike maneuver isn't useable with Spring Attack. [/QUOTE]
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