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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Steel_Wind" data-source="post: 4056195" data-attributes="member: 20741">Well, I think you have to go back and look at what the OP was asking for.He wanted:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">A five player game</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Competitive player against player</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">War theme</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Longish game to play.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> mentions miniatures and Ameritrashy games as possibilities he was considering</li> </ul> Arkham Horror and Shadows over Camelot are co-operative games. (Shadows has the traitor feature, but it's still a co-op game).War of the Ring is not a five player gameCarcassonne is not very competitive and is iffy with five player.Tide of Iron is a 2 player game. As a four player game its kind of sucky.  There simply is no five player variant for this.Battlelore and Memoir '44 are 2 player games at heart.Settlers of Catan is a 4 player game without the expansion, and is not terribly competitive (Though it is a great game. My family loves it). TannHauser. I have to dissent from this one. I think this is a pretty game to look at - but a poor one to play.Ticket to Ride, the quintessential Euro softball game is not the war themed strategy competition he was looking for.By the time you go through all of the requested features, I think you are left with Twilight Imperium 3rd ed and Game of Thrones which best satisfies his requested features that game should have.He's in a D&D gaming group. The fantasy medieval themes in George RR Martin's Game of Thrones should go over well.  And it is, most assuredly, a competitive strategy game with shifting elements from turn to turn that is perfect for five players.</blockquote>

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