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<blockquote data-quote="ZSutherland" data-source="post: 1312352" data-attributes="member: 7638">I pulled punches with my players for the first year or so after we switched to 3rd edition.&nbsp; None of us had played anything in a while, we had several new players, etc.&nbsp; I stopped bothering, though.&nbsp; They're big boys and girls.&nbsp; They can take it.&nbsp; I don't try and kill them, and generally if they bite it, they made bad rolls or did something stupid.&nbsp; I actually hate to let PCs die from bad rolling, though.&nbsp; I try and help them out, there, but sometime...For example, last D&amp;D campaign we ran, party was about 3/4 of the way through a dungeon full of undead &amp; aberrations.&nbsp; Only the last fight is more than 1 CR past their average party level.&nbsp; The rogue refuses to scout, though, so they all get nailed with a chain-lightning trap because he didn't bother to take Disable Device or tell anyone abou that before they got down there (we started mid-level and the first few adventures were outdoors).&nbsp; So, there go some resources.&nbsp; Do they stop?&nbsp; Rest?&nbsp; Retreat?&nbsp; Nope.&nbsp; Okay.A few rooms &amp; easy fights later, the rogue still won't scout, so the dwarf barbarian winds up springing the collapsing wall trap behind himself, trapping the other pcs in a room with a chaos beast.&nbsp; They'd have slaughtered the thing whole-sale w/ the barbarian &amp; they managed to take it down, but not before the ranger falls prey to that nasty attack.&nbsp; Oops, you use charisma as a dump stat.&nbsp; Well, you'd best high-tail it to someone who can fix that (good knowledge dungeoneering check or somesuch followed by spellcraft told them what was happening &amp; what would fix it).&nbsp; Oh, you want to keep going into the boss fight first?&nbsp; Your call.&nbsp; Good job, you beat the nasty vampire.&nbsp; Too bad you're a chaos beast now.*sigh*Z</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ZSutherland, post: 1312352, member: 7638"] I pulled punches with my players for the first year or so after we switched to 3rd edition. None of us had played anything in a while, we had several new players, etc. I stopped bothering, though. They're big boys and girls. They can take it. I don't try and kill them, and generally if they bite it, they made bad rolls or did something stupid. I actually hate to let PCs die from bad rolling, though. I try and help them out, there, but sometime... For example, last D&D campaign we ran, party was about 3/4 of the way through a dungeon full of undead & aberrations. Only the last fight is more than 1 CR past their average party level. The rogue refuses to scout, though, so they all get nailed with a chain-lightning trap because he didn't bother to take Disable Device or tell anyone abou that before they got down there (we started mid-level and the first few adventures were outdoors). So, there go some resources. Do they stop? Rest? Retreat? Nope. Okay. A few rooms & easy fights later, the rogue still won't scout, so the dwarf barbarian winds up springing the collapsing wall trap behind himself, trapping the other pcs in a room with a chaos beast. They'd have slaughtered the thing whole-sale w/ the barbarian & they managed to take it down, but not before the ranger falls prey to that nasty attack. Oops, you use charisma as a dump stat. Well, you'd best high-tail it to someone who can fix that (good knowledge dungeoneering check or somesuch followed by spellcraft told them what was happening & what would fix it). Oh, you want to keep going into the boss fight first? Your call. Good job, you beat the nasty vampire. Too bad you're a chaos beast now. *sigh* Z [/QUOTE]

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