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<blockquote data-quote="Coredump" data-source="post: 1675823" data-attributes="member: 6939"><p>I have been following this thread since my last post.</p><p></p><p>I think there is a breakdown between 'occasional' and 'consistent'.</p><p></p><p>Yes, Ghandi accepted staying in a nice room when visiting heads of state, and probably ate pretty well too.</p><p></p><p>But what if that rich guy said, "Hey, I will build a big house in India, and you can live there for as long as you want, rent free." </p><p>Not the same.</p><p></p><p>Sure, King says "rescue my daughter please, I will send you on my ship" No problem. King says "hey, take my ship and use it as you please, for as long as you like, because you are neat." Nope.</p><p></p><p>I see no problem with someone letting the VoP character ride a horse for a bit. But the original problem that started this was an indefinite use of that animal, and that seems to break the spirit of the Vow. Again, I really have no problem with the character actually owning a mule in certain situations. For a traveling character, it is almost as much a necessity as shoes. But I very much disagree that if you can't own it, then it is okay to 'borrow' it 'forever'.</p><p></p><p>Try this one. If it is okay to let the character 'borrow' the mule. Then it should be okay to 'borrow' a warhorse indefinitely. Then it should be okay to 'borrow' Masterwork full plate, two Masterwork shortswords, a telescope, and even a full luxerious carraige. After all, you don't own them.</p><p></p><p>The point of the ascetic lifestyle is to LIVE THE ASCETIC LIFESTYLE. These people don't take a vow to not own anything, they take a vow to live in poverty. Ghandi could have been a multi-millionaire and still be living in poverty. You could have no assets, and no cash, and just be Bill Gates friend and live in a 'borrowed' mansion with two Bentleys and NOT be living a life of poverty.</p><p></p><p>Ghandi accepting a ride in Gate's Bentley, fine. Ghandi accepting an indefinite loan of one of the Bentleys, not fine.</p><p></p><p>.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Coredump, post: 1675823, member: 6939"] I have been following this thread since my last post. I think there is a breakdown between 'occasional' and 'consistent'. Yes, Ghandi accepted staying in a nice room when visiting heads of state, and probably ate pretty well too. But what if that rich guy said, "Hey, I will build a big house in India, and you can live there for as long as you want, rent free." Not the same. Sure, King says "rescue my daughter please, I will send you on my ship" No problem. King says "hey, take my ship and use it as you please, for as long as you like, because you are neat." Nope. I see no problem with someone letting the VoP character ride a horse for a bit. But the original problem that started this was an indefinite use of that animal, and that seems to break the spirit of the Vow. Again, I really have no problem with the character actually owning a mule in certain situations. For a traveling character, it is almost as much a necessity as shoes. But I very much disagree that if you can't own it, then it is okay to 'borrow' it 'forever'. Try this one. If it is okay to let the character 'borrow' the mule. Then it should be okay to 'borrow' a warhorse indefinitely. Then it should be okay to 'borrow' Masterwork full plate, two Masterwork shortswords, a telescope, and even a full luxerious carraige. After all, you don't own them. The point of the ascetic lifestyle is to LIVE THE ASCETIC LIFESTYLE. These people don't take a vow to not own anything, they take a vow to live in poverty. Ghandi could have been a multi-millionaire and still be living in poverty. You could have no assets, and no cash, and just be Bill Gates friend and live in a 'borrowed' mansion with two Bentleys and NOT be living a life of poverty. Ghandi accepting a ride in Gate's Bentley, fine. Ghandi accepting an indefinite loan of one of the Bentleys, not fine. . [/QUOTE]
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