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<blockquote data-quote="Zimri" data-source="post: 1676209" data-attributes="member: 15991"><p>The ascetic doesn't need to break his vow or fail the quest.It'll just take longer and be far less convinient. See in my world the king would make darn good and sure the ascetic , or the ascetics party had transportation as far as he could provide it. Either via good stout mounts (which if they survive must be returned), or a wizard teleporting them or whatnot. Some people here say that the VoP can not accept these I say hogwash. Besides if he believes her to be in imminent grave danger and he has been asked to help and REFUSES (assuming all parties are "good") he violates his vow anyway.</p><p></p><p>There is a way out for the paladin. First off let's assume the paladin is exalted. The BOED specifically says that targetting/killing non-combatants while it may be expedient certainly is NOT exalted behavior. I would however let a non exalted good character away with it (if they were not a paladin). The order to murder babies and (non combatant)women of any race (as well as the elderly, infirm, and disabled) is not a LAWFUL order. Any paladins I run, or who run under me know that there are things a Paladin can't do and remain a paladin, that is one of them, so is slaying an unarmed, unaware opponent from behind no matter what they are in the middle of doing. I am however completely fine with not allowing enemy combatants to surrender.</p><p></p><p>Lawful isn't JUST about being a good doobie and following orders. "I was just following orders" doesn't fly for me in real or game life. Though in game life it will lead to a somewhat easier atonement.</p><p></p><p>Perhaps the princess can teleport herself back with a ring the ascetic takes to her. According to naysayers here though the ascetic needs to make his own way back as a ring of teleportation is something luxurious he can't benefit from.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Zimri, post: 1676209, member: 15991"] The ascetic doesn't need to break his vow or fail the quest.It'll just take longer and be far less convinient. See in my world the king would make darn good and sure the ascetic , or the ascetics party had transportation as far as he could provide it. Either via good stout mounts (which if they survive must be returned), or a wizard teleporting them or whatnot. Some people here say that the VoP can not accept these I say hogwash. Besides if he believes her to be in imminent grave danger and he has been asked to help and REFUSES (assuming all parties are "good") he violates his vow anyway. There is a way out for the paladin. First off let's assume the paladin is exalted. The BOED specifically says that targetting/killing non-combatants while it may be expedient certainly is NOT exalted behavior. I would however let a non exalted good character away with it (if they were not a paladin). The order to murder babies and (non combatant)women of any race (as well as the elderly, infirm, and disabled) is not a LAWFUL order. Any paladins I run, or who run under me know that there are things a Paladin can't do and remain a paladin, that is one of them, so is slaying an unarmed, unaware opponent from behind no matter what they are in the middle of doing. I am however completely fine with not allowing enemy combatants to surrender. Lawful isn't JUST about being a good doobie and following orders. "I was just following orders" doesn't fly for me in real or game life. Though in game life it will lead to a somewhat easier atonement. Perhaps the princess can teleport herself back with a ring the ascetic takes to her. According to naysayers here though the ascetic needs to make his own way back as a ring of teleportation is something luxurious he can't benefit from. [/QUOTE]
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