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<blockquote data-quote="F5" data-source="post: 1138115" data-attributes="member: 4607"><p>Speaking as a reasonably-well-informed layman, and not a copyright lawyer, I don't think you're wrong about how the licenses work. According to the license agreement, you have to destroy all existing stock, and have everything pulled from distributor's shelves. And eat the cost yourself, presumably. </p><p></p><p>Whether they can force distributors to destroy books on the shelves is probably on shaky legal ground, and a determined company could probably take them to court over that issue. But, it's a moot point, because there isn't anybody out there who has the money to go toe-to-toe with hasbro's lawyers, so it would never go to court in the first place. You'd lose more $$$ just by fighting the fight than you would by cooperating.</p><p></p><p>[begin idle speculation]Valar is a small company, without a ton of start-up money. They would have been dead in the water if they had to pull all their books with the D20 license after they went to the printer. WotC knew what Valtarra and company were planning to publish, and his view of the "community standards" that were in the works while he was there. Isn't it possible that by putting out the changes to the d20 STL before the BoEF went to print, that someone at Wizards did Valar a huge favor? Rather than the timing of the license change being a spiteful act to "get" one company, which is how many people seem to view it, maybe someone at Wizards actually saved Valar from the legal action that they would have been forced to take? If they were really out to get him, they would have let the book get printed and THEN go after him, when he was the most vulnerable. Or not. [end idle speculation]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="F5, post: 1138115, member: 4607"] Speaking as a reasonably-well-informed layman, and not a copyright lawyer, I don't think you're wrong about how the licenses work. According to the license agreement, you have to destroy all existing stock, and have everything pulled from distributor's shelves. And eat the cost yourself, presumably. Whether they can force distributors to destroy books on the shelves is probably on shaky legal ground, and a determined company could probably take them to court over that issue. But, it's a moot point, because there isn't anybody out there who has the money to go toe-to-toe with hasbro's lawyers, so it would never go to court in the first place. You'd lose more $$$ just by fighting the fight than you would by cooperating. [begin idle speculation]Valar is a small company, without a ton of start-up money. They would have been dead in the water if they had to pull all their books with the D20 license after they went to the printer. WotC knew what Valtarra and company were planning to publish, and his view of the "community standards" that were in the works while he was there. Isn't it possible that by putting out the changes to the d20 STL before the BoEF went to print, that someone at Wizards did Valar a huge favor? Rather than the timing of the license change being a spiteful act to "get" one company, which is how many people seem to view it, maybe someone at Wizards actually saved Valar from the legal action that they would have been forced to take? If they were really out to get him, they would have let the book get printed and THEN go after him, when he was the most vulnerable. Or not. [end idle speculation] [/QUOTE]
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