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<blockquote data-quote="Wombat" data-source="post: 1869265" data-attributes="member: 8447">We've had a couple of players take in in our campaigns.&nbsp; I would like to play one myself campaign, but I am usually behind the screen&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Now the first thing to note is that our games tend to start low-level and we have never actually progressed characters beyond 12th level (only one ever achieved that, most of our games top out at about 7th).&nbsp; The highest level BoEM Bard we had was 5th level and the guy who was playing him loved it (until the character died, of course, but that is a separate matter).At low levels the two Bards seem to play in a fairly similar manner, despite the differing mechanics.&nbsp; In both cases the &quot;spell selection&quot; is rather limited.&nbsp; The first person who tried the BoEM bard preferred the core bard; the second one preferred the BoEM bard, so I guess it came down to a split decision.&nbsp; The two of them argued many times about which one was actually more useful in combat with no resolution, but ultimately a bard will always be of greater use in non-combat situations.My feeling looking the two over is that the BoEM bard is slightly less along the &quot;jack of all trades master of none&quot; category, with a bit more emphasis on social uses, but as I said I have yet to play the class myself.&nbsp; OTOH, the Diplomancer PrC (also in BoEM II) is a great boost to the social aspects of the bard&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Wombat, post: 1869265, member: 8447"] We've had a couple of players take in in our campaigns. I would like to play one myself campaign, but I am usually behind the screen ;) Now the first thing to note is that our games tend to start low-level and we have never actually progressed characters beyond 12th level (only one ever achieved that, most of our games top out at about 7th). The highest level BoEM Bard we had was 5th level and the guy who was playing him loved it (until the character died, of course, but that is a separate matter). At low levels the two Bards seem to play in a fairly similar manner, despite the differing mechanics. In both cases the "spell selection" is rather limited. The first person who tried the BoEM bard preferred the core bard; the second one preferred the BoEM bard, so I guess it came down to a split decision. The two of them argued many times about which one was actually more useful in combat with no resolution, but ultimately a bard will always be of greater use in non-combat situations. My feeling looking the two over is that the BoEM bard is slightly less along the "jack of all trades master of none" category, with a bit more emphasis on social uses, but as I said I have yet to play the class myself. OTOH, the Diplomancer PrC (also in BoEM II) is a great boost to the social aspects of the bard :) [/QUOTE]

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